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To: unlearner

People died and risked their lives to give us a country to give us freedom and the right to vote , and now we see that we don’t have that , thus those people died in vain.

Sickening and even worse is people defend this corruption.


83 posted on 04/16/2016 6:51:32 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc
Are you talking about what happened in Georgia? Because as I've already pointed out, Trump had a much smaller percentage of the vote that did Cruz and Rubio combined, so he really doesn't have cause to complain.

And if you're not talking about Georgia, then...why are you in this thread?

Maybe Trump will learn that insulting people isn't a really good way to build political alliances. Until then, I'm happy to see other candidates and their supporters uniting against the guy who dragged the discourse into the mud.

89 posted on 04/16/2016 6:55:01 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: manc

I don’t agree at all with that comparison.

Parties can select a nominee many different ways.

The problem has been, for many years, most people would rather not bother to participate.

Of course those who do are going to allocate more power for themselves. The way to prevent this is for everyone to EXERCISE his or her hard-won right to vote.

Only a little over half of eligible voters vote at all even in a presidential election. Less than half of those do any kind of research and critical thinking to decide who they will vote for.

I kid you not. The lady who cuts my hair, who now follows elections closely, just voted in her first primary this year. She voted for Trump. She told me when she was younger she picked candidates because they had good speaking voices, were handsome, etc. She did not have a clue. This is how MOST voters in America vote. They go along with whatever the media tells them.

Primaries have even more dismal numbers for participation. They usually have percentages in the teens or twenties. The only exceptions (in the past few decades) are this year and 2008, when Obama first ran. In 2008 Dem participation was about double the usual. This year, Republican participation is about double the usual. In 2008, it was a hair over 30%. This year, still in the twenties, at a hair over 29%.

The truth is, apathy is letting our leaders become tyrants. It is the uniparty.

But on the way delegates are being allocated, and the meme that Cruz is “stealing” is just propaganda. If it is not illegal, it is not stealing. We can debate whether the rules are right, or fair. I don’t think a lot of things that happen are fair to conservatives, Christians, or candidates like Trump or Cruz. I don’t think it is fair or ethical to use mudslinging. But almost every politician does it. And Trump is definitely no exception.

I agree that Trump has been treated unfairly, but so has Cruz.

Cruz has been caller liar”, “nasty”, a snake, and lots of other really offensive things. His wife has been mocked unfairly, just as Trump’s wife was. His children have been targeted. And a lot of people on this forum not only are unwilling to admit this is wrong, they are the ones doing it.

But I am not going to let this election drag me down. If Trump or Cruz win, it will NOT save this nation. This nation is the Titanic. It is going to sink. It is impossible to stop this. If Hillary or Bernie win, it will sink faster with more passenger lives lost.

The lesson here is that democracy does not work. I used to believe it does, just like Bush, who wanted to spread it around the world. Two things proved to me I was wrong about democracy: First, Palestinians voted Hamas into power. Hamas is unquestionably a terrorist group. Second, Americans elected Obama. Obama is the worst president this nation has had by far. It would be hard for Hillary or Bernie to even accomplish as mush destruction to the nation as he did. They will be building on his “achievements” if they get into office.

So, the French saying about democracy, “the voice of the people is the voice of God” has been proven false. Democracy is only a good form of government when the people who can vote are moral people. Our nation is made up mostly of very evil people.

The people of this nation are fine with homosexuals “marrying”. They are fine with these homosexuals adopting children and being foster parents. They do not care that multiple times it has been discovered that such couples, who were thrust into the national limelight as models of virtuous parents, were not merely molesting “their” children, but were torturing them and selling videos of it. The people don’t care. They care about keeping up with the Kartrashians. They care about the Super Bowl and getting drunk.

They don’t care that a woman was thrown in jail for refusing to issue marriage licenses to homosexual couples. They don’t care that people have lost careers and been fined into poverty. They celebrate perversity.

They do not care that little babies are ripped apart with no anesthesia; a cruel and unusual punishment carried out with no trial of a jury of their peers. They do not care that billions of tax dollars fund this. They do not care that the people getting filthy rich for murdering babies, get even richer by selling the babies’ body parts. They don’t care that the ones who exposed these crimes are being prosecuted by a corrupt government.

The people of this nation are filthy, perverted, criminals, who need to be crushed under the burdens of disease, famine, imprisonment, poverty, and war. There is little left of this once great nation worth saving.

So, whether a corrupt uniparty divvies up delegates in the primaries in a “fair” manner, is of such little consequence in my mind, if you sneeze and fail to say excuse me seems worse.

If Trump can’t beat Cruz in negotiations and deal making, I don’t think he has a chance in the general. But I don’t think that is the real problem. The real problem is that he has been off-message for pretty much his whole campaign. He has been overly focussed on making Cruz look bad. All he needed to do is sit back and let Cruz make mistakes with which the media will gladly embarrass him. Instead, by name calling and other pettiness, Trump made himself look un-presidential. It tarnished his reputation. It worked for attacking the biased, leftwing media. It does not work for a political rival who largely agrees with most of his views.

Regardless, I have tried to persuade more people to see things my way, but to little avail. I will still vote for Trump or Cruz or probably any Republican candidate (depending on if Trump runs third party). But it is not because I think it will save this nation, make it great again, or because I think the people of this nation even deserve being saved. It is purely pragmatic. I would like to minimize the pain and suffering of the minority of people who have been disenfranchised for my entire life and do not deserve what has happened, is happening, or is going to happen to this once great nation.

Sorry if my point of view is depressing. I don’t think I am being pessimistic. I am a realist. Would love to be proved wrong about there being any hope for this nation. It just looks more and more like a typical fascist regime to me.


180 posted on 04/16/2016 9:23:07 PM PDT by unlearner (RIP America, 7/4/1776 - 6/26/2015, "Only God can judge us now." - Claus Von Stauffenberg / Valkyrie)
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To: manc

You do have the right to vote... In the general election where you choose delegates for the electoral college. The problem is that you are confusing an election with a nomination. A nomination is where the PARTY chooses who it wishes to run and sets it’s own rules on how it chooses it’s nominee.

The Republican party chooses it’s nominee. If a candidate wishes to run, he can play by the party’s rules or choose a different party where he can simply be appointed.

Those of you falling for the Trump propaganda are being fooled. Take some time to learn how our political system works, then you will see that Trump is simply yanking your chains.


271 posted on 04/18/2016 11:33:40 AM PDT by publana (Beware the olive branch extended by a Dem for it disguises a clenched fist.)
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