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To: GilGil
This is just one reason I left the "party"; so now I post this as my response! An open letter to America from the Pennsylvania Veterans Party of America Chair Gary Garvine: This is why to vote for Third Party: The biggest objection to voting for a Third Party is the “wasted vote” argument — the idea that if you vote for someone who will not win, then the vote does not count. Voting for a third party, contrary to popular belief, is not a wasted vote. It’s a chance to tell the country — and perhaps even the world — what your vision of government and society really is. But how do most of us vote? Most of us vote the “lesser of two evils” — a defensive vote, rather than an offensive one. So what happens after you vote the defensive vote? Well, then you have sold out your personal beliefs. You have become a political prostitute. You aren’t standing up for what you believe in by voting “the lesser of two evils.” I don’t know about you, but I’m tired of being a political hooker. If you think the Republican or the Democrat really does best mirror your beliefs, by all means, vote for that candidate. But if you don’t, and you still vote for them, you’re helping to preserve the status quo you probably despise. So What’s the Point of Voting? We vote to tell everyone else which choice best represents the direction which we want the country to go. When you vote, you gain a certain power that a non-voter doesn’t have; the power to change America. Hence voting lesser evil sends the wrong message; it’s sending a message of compromise. In effect, a defensive vote says “I will settle for a good America, not the best America possible.” I urge you not to settle. In other words, if you want change, then create change. The history of third parties in America is that they serve as the vanguard for new ideas. It is these ideas that make the world go round. If a Third Party begins to draw votes, one or both of the two big parties steal their ideas. The most successful third party in the 20th Century was the Socialist Party. While never winning any significant elections, their small but growing vote totals were a threat to the Democrats. Thus the Democrats, and then later the Republicans, adopted piecemeal every major tenet of the 1916 Socialist Party platform. So rather than waste your vote on Democrats or Republicans, cast a meaningful ballot that clearly says what you believe. ‪#‎VPA‬ ‪#‎VPPA‬ ‪#‎VPofA‬ @VetsPA www.vpofa.org www.veteranspartyofamerica.org www.chriskeniston2016.com
5 posted on 04/12/2016 12:05:42 PM PDT by TMSuchman (State Chairman for the Veterans Party of America & Mo. Let Am. hear other voices)
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To: TMSuchman
This is just one reason I left the "party";
so now I post this as my response!

An open letter to America from the Pennsylvania Veterans Party of America Chair Gary Garvine:

This is why to vote for Third Party:

The biggest objection to voting for a Third Party is the “wasted vote” argument — the idea that if you vote for someone who will not win, then the vote does not count. Voting for a third party, contrary to popular belief, is not a wasted vote. It’s a chance to tell the country — and perhaps even the world — what your vision of government and society really is. But how do most of us vote?

Most of us vote the “lesser of two evils” — a defensive vote, rather than an offensive one. So what happens after you vote the defensive vote? Well, then you have sold out your personal beliefs. You have become a political prostitute. You aren’t standing up for what you believe in by voting “the lesser of two evils.” I don’t know about you, but I’m tired of being a political hooker.

If you think the Republican or the Democrat really does best mirror your beliefs, by all means, vote for that candidate. But if you don’t, and you still vote for them, you’re helping to preserve the status quo you probably despise.

So What’s the Point of Voting? We vote to tell everyone else which choice best represents the direction which we want the country to go. When you vote, you gain a certain power that a non-voter doesn’t have; the power to change America. Hence voting lesser evil sends the wrong message; it’s sending a message of compromise. In effect, a defensive vote says “I will settle for a good America, not the best America possible.”

I urge you not to settle. In other words, if you want change, then create change.

The history of third parties in America is that they serve as the vanguard for new ideas. It is these ideas that make the world go round.

If a Third Party begins to draw votes, one or both of the two big parties steal their ideas. The most successful third party in the 20th Century was the Socialist Party. While never winning any significant elections, their small but growing vote totals were a threat to the Democrats.

Thus the Democrats, and then later the Republicans, adopted piecemeal every major tenet of the 1916 Socialist Party platform. So rather than waste your vote on Democrats or Republicans, cast a meaningful ballot that clearly says what you believe.

‪#‎VPA‬ ‪#‎VPPA‬ ‪#‎VPofA‬ @VetsPA www.vpofa.org www.veteranspartyofamerica.org www.chriskeniston2016.com

16 posted on 04/12/2016 12:10:06 PM PDT by knarf
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To: TMSuchman
There is some truth to this. A libertarian co-worker once pointed out: "The Socialist Workers Party gets 2% of the vote and look what happens. The major parties adopt their platform."
23 posted on 04/12/2016 12:15:31 PM PDT by snarkpup (I want a government small enough that my main concern in life doesn't need to be who's running it.)
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To: TMSuchman

“”You aren’t standing up for what you believe in by voting “the lesser of two evils.” I don’t know about you, but I’m tired of being a political hooker. If you think the Republican or the Democrat really does best mirror your beliefs, by all means, vote for that candidate. But if you don’t, and you still vote for them, you’re helping to preserve the status quo you probably despise. So What’s the Point of Voting? We vote to tell everyone else which choice best represents the direction which we want the country to go. “”

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Interesting, and I understand the sentiment. The only problem is and you called it, socialism, or anything and everything to please the masses, sells and wins. And of course ideas which contradict with the collectivist socialist ideas are vilified and attacked as are it’s proponents.

Hence Trump’s , close the border, bring back jobs, a paradigm shift in spoken policy. Trump truly is campaigning as the third party candidate, and why he has won so many hearts and souls.

Sure he’s a risk, every candidate is, getting up leaving the house is a risk.

ALso many who vote 3rd party do so with the notion that however it turns out I wasn’t responsible. Hogwash. If the greater of 2 evils wins you certainly helped out.

For example Ross Perot handing the election to Bill Clinton and Osama Bin Ladin. All though I was no great fan of Bush, he probably would have taken Osama out when he had the chance, hence no 9/11.

Can we know for sure, of course not, are we guilty of any great crime of conscience if we vote on a candidates promises, voting in good faith, of course not, is voting for some obscure candidate doing any good except with your own conscience, definatly not. In this election we have a third party candidate running as a Republican, Trump, is he a risk, of course, but they all are. Potentially he is the pivotal figure, in a change of direction this country needs. Yes the deck is stacked against him and us, for even many of those here seem not to see the opportunity.

If Hillary is elected, more than likely for 8 years, voting really won’t matter for R’s, demographics will have swept us away.


115 posted on 04/12/2016 1:02:24 PM PDT by QuigleyDU
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