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To: Mechanicos
QUOTE: Already basic experiments have created pre-cursors of life, and theoretical work maps out some of its evolution to actual life.

"Basic experiments" is quite a stretch. These experiments are being conducted by highly trained specialists exerting careful planning, design and combination under ideal controlled laboratory conditions. This proves the exact opposite of abiogenesis, and rather points to an intelligence that formed life, can't you see?

64 posted on 04/13/2016 4:59:52 PM PDT by jimmyray (there is no problem so bad that you can't make it worse)
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To: jimmyray

I agree with you. That’s not my quote.


66 posted on 04/13/2016 5:10:14 PM PDT by Mechanicos (Trump is for America First. Cruz and the Establishment is for America Last. It's that simple.)
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To: jimmyray; BroJoeK

Yeah jimmy, the Miller-Urey experiment is the go-to icon for OOL, and it turned out to be flawed. It took them 30 or so years to realize that they had not simulated the Earth’s primordial atmosphere properly.

Why it took them that long, who knows. Maybe they didn’t look at what the primordial atmosphere was like until the 1980s. Maybe they knew before then, but didn’t bother revising the OOL experiment for some reason. Meh.


71 posted on 04/13/2016 5:42:13 PM PDT by angryoldfatman
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To: jimmyray; Mechanicos
jimmyray: "These experiments are being conducted by highly trained specialists exerting careful planning, design and combination under ideal controlled laboratory conditions.
This proves the exact opposite of abiogenesis, and rather points to an intelligence that formed life, can't you see? "

No, you're mischaracterizing such experiments.
In fact, the experiments are intended precisely to recreate natural conditions we think existed on Earth, way back when.

And there has been more success in recent years than you may be aware of.
Of course, there's no "life in a test tube" but some steps in that direction can be demonstrated.

None of which makes abiogenesis "fact" or even "theory".
It's all still highly educated hypothesis, that would require much greater successes to become even theory, much less "fact".

78 posted on 04/16/2016 10:10:30 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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