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To: P-Marlowe; wmfights; Rashputin; xzins; Tennessee Nana
Marlowe: ". . . .claims to be a Great Christian but has never once repented of any of his sins."

Rashputin: He's a solid, Presbyterian, Calvinist. Since you've obviously never read Calvin or Presbyterian theologians...

Marlowe: So since you claim to be so familiar with Calvinist teachings, are you saying that a man can be a serial fornicator his whole life, never once pray and ask God for forgiveness of any of his sins and still be a "Great Christian" simply because he is a Calvinist?

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Trump claims to attend Marble Collegiate Church, which is NOT Presbyterian, but a congregation of the liberal Reformed Church in America.

Take a look at their Mission Statement

Marble Collegiate Church is a diverse, inclusive community of God’s people led by the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. We inspire everyone to become positive thinkers who make a difference in the world.

Note the LGBT friendly buzz words, as well as the squishy social justice tone. Here is a quiz question, where does the term positive thinkers originate? /Their former pastor, Norman Vinvent Peale / (for the answer drag click and drag between the backslashes.)

Think I'm overreacting? Here is an event you can attend tonight and see for yourselves:

Supporting LGBTQ People in Religious and Spiritual Settings

Intersections International, 145 West 28th Street, New York, NY 10001, 11th Floor
Tuesday, April 12, 2016 6:00 pm – 8:00 pm

As the world has become more LGBTQ-affirming, many spiritual and religious leaders have too… and some have been leading the way! Is that you? And would you like additional tools for your ministry with and to LGBTQ people?

In these first-ever 5-part series, the Blanton-Peale Institute and Counseling Center, Rev. Shari K. Brink, President, and Believe Out Loud/Intersections International, James Rowe, Director, partner to bring together mental health professionals and religious and spiritual leaders to discuss and develop skills for supporting LGBTQ people.

If Trump attends this social change organization I'm not surprised he doesn't feel the need to repent. In the tradition of Norman Vincent Peale, and his spiritual grandson, Joel Osteen, the only sin out there is not having positive thoughts.

As solid, Presbyterian, Calvinist (Or Dutch Reformed/Reformed Baptist) would flee from this congregation. Nothing to see here but whitewashed tombs.

601 posted on 04/12/2016 12:08:27 PM PDT by Gamecock ( Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul...Matthew 10:28)
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To: Gamecock; wmfights; Rashputin; xzins; Tennessee Nana
I recall 99% of the people on this forum condemning Obama for attending a politically correct pseudo Christian church where the gospel of social justice was preached and the Gospel of Christ was rejected.

The Gospel of Positive Thinking is not the gospel of Christ. Trump bragged about growing up listening to Norman Vincent Peale's sermons and how he wished that they would never have ended.

But as the Late Walter Martin once said, "Paul is appealing but Peale is appalling."

Thanks for the information. But it will fall on deaf (itching) ears.

615 posted on 04/12/2016 12:15:39 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping list.)
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To: Gamecock; P-Marlowe
From Wikipedia about Marble Collegiate Church:

Dr. Norman Vincent Peale, the noted author of The Power of Positive Thinking, served as senior minister from 1932-1984. Under his ministry Marble's influence reached national levels and became known as "America's Hometown Church." On November 19, 1961, Lucille Ball married her second husband Gary Morton in the church.[4] Following Peale's fifty-two year ministry, Dr. Arthur Caliandro served 25 years as the fifth senior minister of Marble Church. In all, he served 42 years on the pastoral staff. During Caliandro's tenure, MarbleVision, the media ministry of Marble Church, was founded, its first woman minister was ordained, and the first women elders received. In addition, the church added its first new stained-glass window in almost 100 years. In 2009, Dr. Michael B. Brown, former pastor of Centenary United Methodist Church in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, succeeded Dr. Caliandro as senior minister.

As Trump said, his pastor was Norman Vincent Peale.

From Wikipedia, under Donald Trump:

Trump says that he is of Presbyterian faith.[422] In an April 2011 interview on the 700 Club, he commented: "I'm a Protestant, I'm a Presbyterian. And you know I've had a good relationship with the church over the years. I think religion is a wonderful thing. I think my religion is a wonderful religion."[423][424] Trump told a 2015 South Carolina campaign audience he attends Marble Collegiate Church, where he married his first wife Ivana in 1977. The church has said he is "not an active member."[425] Trump has said that although he participates in Holy Communion, he has not asked God for forgiveness for his sins. He stated, "I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don't bring God into that picture."[426]

In 1983, the Reverend Norman Vincent Peale, described in a New York Times profile as Trump's "pastor" and "family minister", said that Trump was "kindly and courteous in certain business negotiations and has a profound streak of honest humility."[26] Trump calls his own book The Art of the Deal (1987) "my second favorite book of all time," and has told campaign audiences: "Do you know what my first is? The Bible! Nothing beats the Bible."[427][428] Declining to name his favorite Bible verse, Trump said "I don't like giving that out to people that you hardly know."[425]

Peale began as a Methodist and became Reformed.

Trump's mother, Mary MacLeod was from Scotland, and her family's roots, if one goes by her grandparents who were married in the Free Church of Scotland which united with the United Presbyterian to form the United Free Church, was PresbyterianISH.

So, his family religious background, coming from his mother, would best have translated to her as Presbyterian, and she probably communicated that to her son.

But I have Presbyterians and Lutherans who attend our church, and they would tell people that is what they are. They put up with me, I suppose. :>)

685 posted on 04/12/2016 1:18:05 PM PDT by xzins ( Free Republic Gives YOU a voice heard around the globe. Support the Freepathon!)
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