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Yes, college should be free
UMass Daily Collegian ^ | 4/11/16 | Civitarese

Posted on 04/11/2016 1:03:32 PM PDT by pabianice

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To: AppyPappy
"And how will we pay for this idea?"

Online degree -- class size of thousands, or tens of thousands, grade the classwork and tests by computer. (If you want the luxury of a more personalized college experience, complete with exercise spa, gourmet meals and bowls of free condoms, you can still buy it for $200,000.)

($28,565 at UMassdoesn't seem bad. How much is the average new car loan?)

121 posted on 04/11/2016 1:49:41 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Every nation has the government it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: pabianice
Yep. I had a hippy chick cashier at Whole Foods tell me that she thought food should be free.

I said I totally agree, let's start now, chip in the 50¢ you earned ringing me up.

Of course she objected.

So you deserve the 50¢ you earned taking my money, but the farmer who made all the investments, took all the risks, the farm workers who harvested the crops, the truckers who moved them, the factory workers who processed them, the distributors who distributed them, your coworkers who stocked the shelves don't deserve what they earned?

Got it.

122 posted on 04/11/2016 1:50:20 PM PDT by null and void ("when authority began inspiring contempt, it had stopped being authority" ~ H. Beam Piper)
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To: Chickensoup

Probably you’d want something better than the SAT or ACT, more like British A-Levels or the U. Tokyo entrance exam. I was rather hoping each university would design its own entrance exam, maybe its own entrance exam for each degree program, but your suggestion would be a start.


123 posted on 04/11/2016 1:51:11 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Yes, but what thew idiot doesn’t understand is the same government that “paid” for his education decides WHO gets to go to college.


124 posted on 04/11/2016 1:52:19 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Sooth2222

We find that online classes are devastating to GPA’s. Too many students dog them because there is no structure.
It’s one of the reasons that online schools have an abysmal graduation rate. It takes a solid commitment to finishing the classes.


125 posted on 04/11/2016 1:53:16 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to irritate someone, point out something obvious they are trying hard to ignore.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

And then came here so he wouldn’t have pay the taxes for the next guy getting his Masters on the taxpayer’s dime.

NOTHING THAT SOMEONE ELSE HAS TO PAY FOR IS A RIGHT.


126 posted on 04/11/2016 1:54:03 PM PDT by Little Ray (NOTHING THAT SOMEONE ELSE HAS TO PAY FOR IS A RIGHT.)
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To: Sooth2222

I get online classes for free. I took an online class on Java and quit about 1/4 through the class. I ended up teaching myself Java.


127 posted on 04/11/2016 1:54:40 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to irritate someone, point out something obvious they are trying hard to ignore.)
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To: AlmaKing
Sorry Alma, I must disagree with you. Army, Navy, Air Force all offer ROTC scholarships, which pay tuition, books, lab fees, etc., plus a monthly stipend during the academic year.

I enrolled at Gonzaga University, which at that time ran $10K-$12K a year, today it's upwards of $40K per year. Gonzaga has an excellent engineering school, though I majored in accounting.

There's millions out there in scholarships, but it takes a lot of effort.

I've got a very good idea what college costs today. My youngest starts HS next year, and we have enough saved up for at least 3 years of college. He knows it's not a blank check, he may do his first two years at community college.

128 posted on 04/11/2016 1:54:55 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Mississippi! My vote is going to Cruz.)
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To: mountainlion

“A person that graduates form college makes more money and pays more taxes.”

True for those that find work. Other’s end up in jobs (maybe) that they could have gotten with out the college and the debt that goes along with it.

I had this exact discussion with a buddy the other evening. It’s quite the topic among the lib/socialists on social media. Bernie really has them hopping. The idea is “a good liberal arts program for all, would improve society”.

It’s a horrible idea, and the reasons could fill wikipedia.


129 posted on 04/11/2016 1:56:11 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: AlmaKing

AlmaKing as things change things still remain the same. My undergrad engineering degree cost $5000 the first year and $8000 by the last year. There were rich kids who didn’t have to work and had plenty of time to study back then as well. There were also plenty of foreign students with lots of money and time. I unfortunately (actually fortunately) had to work (30 hours a week) and commuted to school. During the breaks I would work 70 hours a week. I learned to budget my time and my money. I treated school like a job by not wasting free time and spending that time in the library. The rich and foreign students who didn’t need to work were not the real competition. The real competition were the other guys like me which included a large percentage of Asian students. Those who had the drive and ambition are the ones who succeed especially in engineering. The best engineers are typically the ones who start as techs and go to night school. Due to outsourcing this path is disappearing. Look to China for the next engineers.


130 posted on 04/11/2016 1:56:33 PM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: A message
What isn't a "right" to lefties.

Life?

131 posted on 04/11/2016 1:57:19 PM PDT by null and void ("when authority began inspiring contempt, it had stopped being authority" ~ H. Beam Piper)
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To: pabianice

Don’t hire this guy!


132 posted on 04/11/2016 1:57:51 PM PDT by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: CodeToad

Half of you are telling me that in his home country entrance to college is so incredibly competitive, very few get in. And the rest are telling me that they take EVERYBODY and the degrees are worthless.

So....which it it?


133 posted on 04/11/2016 1:59:57 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: GizzyGirl

And he administrators ... who really make the big buck and whose ranks are swelling.


134 posted on 04/11/2016 2:01:22 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: pabianice

This is not activism


135 posted on 04/11/2016 2:02:51 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: outpostinmass2
Look to China for the next engineers.

With a major in industrial espionage, and a minor in engineering...

136 posted on 04/11/2016 2:02:56 PM PDT by null and void ("when authority began inspiring contempt, it had stopped being authority" ~ H. Beam Piper)
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To: pabianice

How about if all of the profs work for free and relinquish their $200K per year salaries because most of them believe in socialism anyway.

Then we can start talking about free education.


137 posted on 04/11/2016 2:03:32 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: pabianice
This is a college student, chirping that higher education is a "right."

You have a right to be stupid, dear...but I have no interest in paying for you to get that way.

138 posted on 04/11/2016 2:03:40 PM PDT by gogeo (Donald Trump. Because it's finally come to that.)
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To: pabianice

College should be free for American STEM students with a B average. That would help the country immensely. That and kill H-1B.


139 posted on 04/11/2016 2:05:41 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: PanzerKardinal

I have to object. Those guys aren’t marching for free college education. Any college education they get as a result of that march, they EARNED.


140 posted on 04/11/2016 2:06:06 PM PDT by NorthMountain (A plague o' both your houses.)
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