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To: Olog-hai

“There is no such thing as freely-chosen vassalage”

You’re wrong again. The very medieval idea of vassalage is built on choice. That’s why the vassalage ceremony is an exchange between Lord and Vassal. I realized you were using the word in your own way, but if you’re going to make an erroneous claim, I’m going to point it out. You might want to read Susan Reynolds’ 1994 book called Fiefs and Vassals (Oxford University Press) because you apparently know even less about that topic than you do about modern Ireland or the EU.

“And no, the USA came to Russia’s aid in WWII, because a Russia controlled by the Nazis thanks to Stalin’s own Faustian pact with Adolf (resulting in being caught off guard) would have been an incredible geopolitical disaster.”

How does what you just said change anything that I said??? You said “then I want to know why a Faustian pact was made with communists at the IRB when there is not supposed to be fellowship between light and darkness.” We sided with godless, murderous communists to defeat murderous fascists in WWII. It was a necessary thing to do. We sided with the empire building colonizing French to defeat the empire building colonizing British in the Revolutionary War. And we would do all of that all over again - and much more - if we really felt the need.

“Not the same as the Fenians collaborating with communists at all.”

Actually, it’s EXACTLY the same. The Irish were willing to side with anyone who could help them. So were we. The United States, in her short history, has sided with the French, the English, the Germans, the Austro-Hungarians, the Russians, Spanish Francists (many would call them fascists), communists, dictators of every stripe, monarchs, business interests, etc. whenever we believed it suited our needs.

“Got any more excusings of statism?”

I never made any. Care to lie about anything else? Everything I have said is absolutely and irrefutably correct. We made a pact with communists (just like some Irish revolutionaries did) - and we chose to ignore what those commies were doing to their own people because we were interested in winning a war against the Nazis. Pull your head out of your ass if you can find it.

And here you really show your ignorance:

“And any deaths that England committed in Ireland were not unprovoked;”

Not according to the King of England, George V, who angrily asked the Prime Minister if he was going to shoot all of the people of Ireland. I guess you would also say that “And any deaths that England committed in [America] were not unprovoked”? And there is no justification for this: http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/culprit-who-led-burning-of-cork-finally-identified-139188.html

“go study the history.”

Did. Got a PhD in it. That’s why you’re the only one between the two of us making any mistakes here. You’ll continue to do so too.


40 posted on 04/03/2016 7:00:16 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998

Please don’t try to go into tl;dr territory.

Vassalage is all about subordination. Ireland was subordinate to no power between 1948 and 1972; after 1972, they were subordinate to the EU (then called the EEC). So they went from being absolutely free to being unfree (subordinate to the EU, as the Third Amendment makes it clear that EU laws would have “the force of law in the [Irish] State”), which is not among the goals declared for Ireland in the 1916 proclamation; submitting to European regulations, directives and other dictates is against the declaration in the 1916 proclamation that “the unfettered control of Irish destinies ... be sovereign and undefeasible”.

Again, there is no commonality between the USSR and the USA working against the Third Reich and the IRB working with the native Irish communists, other than, as you say, believers happening to work with the godless towards a common goal. The USSR was not a satellite of that Reich albeit under attack, and it was in the best interest of the world that the Nazi regime be defeated swiftly. In Ireland, the situation was peaceful between it and Westminster, and it was instead communist agitation and propaganda that gave some the false impression that the goal of Ireland at the time (Home Rule) would have been withheld at the conclusion of World War I since its implementation was suspended due to that war; it was absolutely not a pressing issue to suddenly try to set up a native government by force when it was going to be done by legislation, even worse to suddenly create a new front for the war within the UK.

The Cork Examiner’s reporting tends to be skewed. Just like the Irish Times (admittedly) is skewed towards the EU, as it used to be skewed towards the UK in the past. Given the moral state of Ireland today, I wonder what was fought for; if it is the goals that the USSR sought (philosophy is based directly on hatred), then the Brits ought to have won that one, but they themselves have been conquered by the same godless philosophy.

Also given that the EU has worked as the USA’s enemy over the past few decades, I tend to brook not even the mildest defense of it.


41 posted on 04/03/2016 7:32:40 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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