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To: Bubba Gump Shrimp

Ahh but he is a NBC, and let me head you off at the pass. Vattel was not the basis for that wording. Yes, I know that the founders read him, but you know what in the book Liberty, Order, And Justice Dr. James McClellan referenced a table showing by the numbers how often the founders referenced certain writers, and Vattel was ranked 29th out of 36. Instead the founders used William Blackstone, who in the same table was ranked number 2nd in frequency of citation, and under his definition Cruz is Natural born. Next you will try to say that the Laws of Nations is referenced right in the Constitution, and you would be correct it is, however it is listed in Article 1, Section 8. You know the part listing the powers of the Congress, not anywhere near the place where the NBC is mention. I might also add that it is used in an entirely different context than as a citation.


479 posted on 03/24/2016 2:01:28 PM PDT by PA-LU Student (Ted Cruz. The one man the Republican Field is afraid to debate one on one!)
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To: PA-LU Student

Only a slimer will claim being born in Iran / China / Canada / Venezuela / Kenya or Egypt is “natural born”

Only a slimer, lawyer or politician.

And if Cruz cared one damn bit about the Constitution, he would be arguing this point on behalf of the American people.

If he’s such a genius, he would use that genius mind of his and go before the courts to argue on behalf of us, so that we don’t have Chinese Born, Iranian Born, Russian Born presidents.

Instead, he is putting his own political greed above what is right.

You know it, and I know it, and the whole of America knows it.


492 posted on 03/24/2016 2:07:16 PM PDT by Bubba Gump Shrimp (if God wanted Cruz to be president, he'd have been born in America)
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To: PA-LU Student

Wrong. The purpose of the term NBC within the Eligibility Clause was to prevent someone with foreign allegiance/influence from becoming President and thus CiC of the US Military. This intent is documented. Based on this intent, an NBC can only have allegiance to the US at birth, no other allegiances can exist. Dual Citizenship cannot be NBC as it would negate the intent of the Clause.


567 posted on 03/24/2016 2:46:34 PM PDT by PJBankard (Cruzer is a Snuzer)
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To: PA-LU Student

You need a bit more time researching. Try:
http://www.art2superpac.com/issues.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2840767/posts
http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/10/18/4-supreme-court-cases-define-natural-born-citizen/
http://www.birthers.org Very thorough analysis with sections on Article II 14th Amendment Blackstone specifically analysed

If you believe you are right in the name of intellectual honesty you need to see how others have reasoned the case and what reference materials they have utilized.


582 posted on 03/24/2016 2:52:32 PM PDT by JayGalt
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To: PA-LU Student
under his definition Cruz is Natural born

Yes. ALL of our presidents were foreign-born.

749 posted on 03/24/2016 6:32:08 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Ohhh....Derka derka derka!)
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