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Cruz: Trump 'wrong' on NATO
The Hill ^ | 3/22/16 | Jessie Byrnes

Posted on 03/22/2016 8:08:26 AM PDT by DeathBeforeDishonor1

is slamming Republican presidential rival Donald Trump's call to rethink U.S. involvement in NATO in the wake of Tuesday's terrorist attacks in Brussels.

"It is striking that the day after Donald Trump called for America weakening NATO, withdrawing from NATO, we see Brussels, where NATO is headquartered, the subject of a radical Islamic terrorist attack," Cruz told reporters in Washington on Tuesday.

"Donald Trump is wrong that America should withdraw from the world and abandon our allies," Cruz added. He claimed Trump's proposals to draw back from Europe would hand both Russian leader Vladimir Putin and the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria "a major victory." Trump, in an interview Monday with The Washington Post editorial board, questioned the need for NATO, which has been a central component of Western security efforts since the Cold War.

"We certainly can’t afford to do this anymore," Trump said.

"NATO is costing us a fortune, and yes, we’re protecting Europe with NATO, but we’re spending a lot of money," later added.

Trump doubled down on his proposal to rethink support for NATO during an interview on CNN with Wolf Blitzer.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cruz; cruz4soros; cruztheliar; dirtytrickcruz; elections; goldmancruz; keywordrage; liarcruz; lyingted; nato; obamatradecruz; opportunist; opportunistcruz; theocracy; trump; trumpwasright
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To: kabar

Could have the consequence of Europe surrendering to Islam.

Then we even get to spend more treasure.


181 posted on 03/22/2016 9:56:07 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kin Jung mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: kabar

Or alternatively, we deem the Budapest memorandum a failure, and give Ukraine back its tactical nukes and completely withdraw from western Europe.


182 posted on 03/22/2016 9:57:42 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kin Jung mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: fooman
And we deploy these missiles where? in Turkey? In France?

The Czech Republic also agreed to station the missiles there. The main purpose was to protect Europe. If no one wants them, then what is our responsibility? Obama is the one who abrogated the agreements we had with Poland and the Czech Republic to station the missiles.

Retire the Triad. Israel and Poland have been very cost effective allies.

What does the Triad have to do with stationing anti-ballistic missiles in Europe? We will still have nuclear subs, land based ICBMs, and aircraft capable of lauching nuclear weapons.

What is the metric you use to measure cost effective allies? FYI: We have no mutual defense treaty with Israel.

183 posted on 03/22/2016 10:05:21 AM PDT by kabar
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To: fooman

Now you are being silly.


184 posted on 03/22/2016 10:05:59 AM PDT by kabar
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To: fooman
Could have the consequence of Europe surrendering to Islam. Then we even get to spend more treasure.

If Europe cannot defend itself against Islam, there is nothing really to save.

185 posted on 03/22/2016 10:07:51 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Not at all, if we abandon Ukraine and they gave up their nukes then give them back.

A deal is a deal.


186 posted on 03/22/2016 10:10:55 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kin Jung mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: kabar

Cost effective is land based missiles near our enemy.

Reagan had intermediate missiles in the1980s in Europe. Should be self -evident.

Trump does not know what the Triad is, apropos to this conversation. Maybe we just throw out the triad and spend no money on major weapon systems.

Who needs the Triad?


187 posted on 03/22/2016 10:14:01 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kin Jung mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Cyman
As always when you make Trump talk specifics and not in his preferred platitudes, he always screws the pooch

If by the pooch you mean lyin Ted you are so right!

188 posted on 03/22/2016 10:14:31 AM PDT by JayGalt (First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then America wins. Trump 2016)
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To: Slyfox

The United States has no friends. We have countries who reap the financial and security benefits from our military protecting them so that they can spend money on social welfare and subsidizing their industries so that they can undercut American products. Like South Korea and their crappy cars and electronics. Canada does not have to invest in their military because we have NORAD and do all of the heavy lifting. Same with Europe. The one strong ally, Poland, was screwed over by Obama who cut the missile defense program that we promised them in exchange for their support and air rights.


189 posted on 03/22/2016 10:22:08 AM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: DeathBeforeDishonor1

It is the NATO members that are allowing themselves to be invaded by the muslims. They display no courage in the face of this modern-day crusade. They display no strong leadership and willingness to destroy terrorism.

NATO’s original mission to counter the threat of the USSR. I think Russia would be a better ally in fighting terrorism that the weenie Western Europeans. They like being taken over by Mohammed’s peeps.


190 posted on 03/22/2016 10:26:32 AM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: Slyfox

This is a ridiculous example. I applaud what you did for your friend. It was the right thing to do and you were the only one who could help. The situation is not remotely analogous.

There is no reason for NATO to be carried by the US. NATO has outlived its purpose, usefulness and is basically a transfer of wealth we cannot afford, to foreign Nations who have demonstrated they do not have our best interests at heart and are pursuing courses such as the current migration that put us at risk. Not to mention they have a higher GNP than USA.

Stepping back would force them to confront the perils they are storing up with their wrongheaded socialist policies rather than assuming someone else will protect them from their follies. That is the action of a friend, and in their best interests.

Allowing the situation to continue would impede and imperil our ability to maintain America’s strengths, to protect ourselves and be there for America’s allies if the need arises.


191 posted on 03/22/2016 10:36:20 AM PDT by JayGalt (First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then America wins. Trump 2016)
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To: kabar

We cant give up that easily.

Would be bad to be surrounded by the caliphate in 10 years.


192 posted on 03/22/2016 10:40:16 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kin Jung mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: DoodleDawg
The concept of an "alliance" is foreign to Trump. To him it's all dollars and cents. It's a deal that he has to be the winner of.

Good try. It's all $ & ¢ to Trump, that's why he is picking up the tab for his Presidential campaign and why he is taking a $1 salary as President because nothing is more important than the old Yankee$. Pull the other one why don't cha?

Trump's charity is understated and runs deep. But it doesn't extend to freeloaders. America abandoned Poland already, one of the big 0's first acts of treason to our allies.

Our next President aims to make good treaties, in American interest and stand by them. He has made his support for Israel plain and our other allies will not be abandoned at his hands. The tail does not wag the dog and in NATO and the UN we are drawing the sled and being abused for the privilege. That situation needs to change. Its just another of the BIG lies the liberals have forced the doers to live under. The Truth makes you free.

193 posted on 03/22/2016 10:47:15 AM PDT by JayGalt (First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then America wins. Trump 2016)
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To: driftdiver
you should put the kool aid down.

You are right, you don't need anyone to pour you another glass.

194 posted on 03/22/2016 10:48:31 AM PDT by JayGalt (First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then America wins. Trump 2016)
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To: JayGalt
It's all $ & ¢ to Trump, that's why he is picking up the tab for his Presidential campaign and why he is taking a $1 salary as President because nothing is more important than the old Yankee$. Pull the other one why don't cha?

I would say the same to you.

Our next President aims to make good treaties, in American interest and stand by them.

What about the existing ones?

He has made his support for Israel plain...

He has also said he thinks Israel should be paying us for defending them. What if they don't?

...and our other allies will not be abandoned at his hands.

Again Korea, Japan, NATO, he's said all need to pay more to us for defending them. What if they don't? Will the alliances be dropped?

That situation needs to change.

And just how will Trump change it?

The Truth makes you free

Not when it comes to Trump. Then it just astonishes.

195 posted on 03/22/2016 10:53:29 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

If they are lousy treaties they need to change. If they don’t America will fall. It beggers the question to say what if Israel doesn’t pay. A good deal works for both parties. There is no use in making a treaty otherwise. Trump & the Israeli government will hammer out an agreement that works for both sides/that both sides think is fair.

Your comment has lots of what ifs. No one can answer the what ifs until the dickering starts and you don’t tip your hand like the feckless current POTUS; all options need to be on the table.

My bottom line is that the US has been gelded and infested with termites. We need to be part of a world of Nations but on terms that allow our country to grow, prosper and be true to our Constitution. That means we need to forge alliances with equals and demand respect of our Sovereignty while we respect theirs. The NATO allies are welshing on the current treaties. That alone is reason to revisit and redefine the treaties with contingencies for Nations that do not fulfill their obligations.


196 posted on 03/22/2016 11:03:53 AM PDT by JayGalt (First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then America wins. Trump 2016)
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To: DoodleDawg

I wouldn’t be surprised


197 posted on 03/22/2016 11:06:24 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: JayGalt
If they are lousy treaties they need to change.

What suddenly makes them lousy treaties?

Trump & the Israeli government will hammer out an agreement that works for both sides/that both sides think is fair.

The treaties we have with Israel have been going on for a long time. We give them billions of dollars and they buy most of their weapons from us. What's not to like from Israel's standpoint? But if Trump now says that they need to pay us billions for defending them then how are they going to think that's fair? What if they can't afford it without additional U.S. aid? Will Trump provide it? Or just cancel the agreement?

That means we need to forge alliances with equals and demand respect of our Sovereignty while we respect theirs.

How do you demand respect when you're also demanding that the other side show you the money?

198 posted on 03/22/2016 11:20:10 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DeathBeforeDishonor1

NATO is the wrong approach, unless going a scorched earth campaign, leaving no origin of the adversary untouched.


199 posted on 03/22/2016 11:25:21 AM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: Slyfox

HUGE DITTOS !!!!!!!


200 posted on 03/22/2016 11:29:02 AM PDT by pollywog ( " O thou who changest not....ABIDE with me")
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