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To: fishtank

No matter what is seen the answer has to come back “It had to be evolution all the way.”

The weird thing is that this theory came about as an alternative to theistic creation in the form of a “spirit led” evolution where the spirits were not of a Judeo-Christian sort. Even these folks, however, were smart enough not to venture an “it just happened of itself” theory. They knew their figurative sprites and gnomes were needed.

It was later that the secularists took it up in a form that excluded the aid of any supernatural factor.

It is a Rubicon to cross. Will we or won’t we believe “we are fearfully and wonderfully made”?

Once we do, then we can discuss the details all day and all night. We do not have good visibility into them. One would not expect any physics understanding to be able to tell us how miracles are going to act. The scripture is not addressed to our curiosity, but to God’s glory in the acts.


3 posted on 03/21/2016 9:38:05 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; fishtank; DesertRhino; MeganC; stormer; EagleOne; Cruz2Victory; jjotto; ...
HTR: "It was later that the secularists took it up in a form that excluded the aid of any supernatural factor."

No, you misunderstand both history and science.
Modern science originated as "natural philosophy" in ancient times -- the study of nature.
By the time of our Founders the name was becoming "natural science" meaning the study of nature, but also including only natural explanations.

So, classical natural philosophers like Isaac Newton certainly believed in God, but as the Great Clock Maker, who, so to speak, creates & winds up the Universe then lets nature take its course.
Yes, the study of nature -- natural science -- is the study of God's laws, but not of God's miraculous actions.

So in today's world, the distinction between "science" and "not science" is precisely that: science assigns only natural causes for natural processes.
Any non-natural causes, such as divine miracles, belong to some other realm of study like theology, philosophy or metaphysics.

Bottom line: regardless of how often a scientist finds the Hand of God at work in nature, he or she will give it some other name, a natural name, such as "gravity" or "relativity" or, indeed, "evolution".

We understand that's the way modern science works, and we are never held to the same restrictions as natural-science.
Instead, we are 100% free to recognize God's handiwork wherever and whenever we see it.

119 posted on 03/24/2016 7:05:18 AM PDT by BroJoeK (ea little historical perspective...)
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