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To: plewis1250

Trumps been for a partial birth abortion ban since 2000.


7 posted on 03/19/2016 4:24:50 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: dynoman

So he was for it before he was against it....

So since it was 15 years ago, that position is nullified?
So does that mean the video posted above is poppycock?

On another note, short of a Christian conversion, becoming born again, what would flip someone after 40 years of supporting every liberal policy under the sun to suddenly being this claimed conservative stalwart?

Maybe the fact that he decided to run on the GOP ticket.

Trump supporters are damning our country’s future, and guaranteeing a win by Clinton.


19 posted on 03/19/2016 5:00:25 AM PDT by plewis1250 (The pecking order: Christian, American, Conservative)
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To: dynoman
"the way Trump described his "evolution" from the pro-choice to pro-life position raises some interesting questions.

He said: "Friends of mine years ago were going to have a child, and it was going to be aborted. And it wasn't aborted. And that child today is a total superstar, a great, great child. And I saw that. And I saw other instances."

Now, I'm one who cheers whenever someone publicly switches from supporting abortion rights to supporting human rights for all - including the unborn. I am glad to see people like Norma McCorvey, the "Jane Roe" of the Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion, or Bernard Nathanson, founder of the National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws, become pro-life activists.

But I find it difficult to cheer Trump's conversion, because the reason he gives for being pro-life doesn't correspond to the pro-life ethic.

Trump says he is pro-life because of a "superstar" child who could have been aborted.

Consider how he responded to a reporter who wondered if he would have become pro-life had the child been a "loser":

"Probably not, but I've never thought of it. I would say no, but in this case it was an easy one because he's such an outstanding person."

To summarize Trump's view: "I'm pro-life because we shouldn't abort fetuses that may grow up to be outstanding people."

But opponents of abortion take a different position: "I'm pro-life because we shouldn't kill innocent human beings, no matter who they might grow up to be."

Trump's reason for being pro-life depends on the potential outcome of the child in the womb, rather than the fact that there is a child in the womb. But the pro-life ethic is grounded in the inherent worth of all humanity. It is wrong to commit violence against innocent human beings. Full stop.

And that's where, ironically, Trump's position sounds similar to the pro-choice idea that the human fetus is "potential life" or that the value of the unborn depends on whether or not the child is "wanted."

Extending Trump's logic leads to more problems. If we adopt the position of abortion opponents merely because of what a child may grow up to be (a "superstar!"), then why should we care if 67 percent of Down syndrome children are aborted after a prenatal diagnosis? What would Trump say if he were told there's a better chance an "unwanted" child from an impoverished or minority neighborhood would grow up to be involved in crime? ..."

http://www.religionnews.com/2016/01/26/problem-trumps-change-heart-abortion-commentary/

22 posted on 03/19/2016 5:05:40 AM PDT by ETL (Cruz 2016!! For a better, safer, SANER, America!)
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To: dynoman

“Trumps been for a partial birth abortion ban since 2000.”

Cruzbots seem to have absorbed into their psyche the phenomenon Cruz has of telling people what other people believe...of course 95% of the time it is lies. But, why would lying matter if Cruz says it says the cruz drones...


29 posted on 03/19/2016 5:11:05 AM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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