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To: maddog55

You’d think they would have learned from the F4 Phantom program that one plane can’t fill all roles


10 posted on 03/18/2016 6:54:14 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Figment

I think you mean the F-111. The F-4 turned out quite well. The F-35 though is a much worse fiasco than the F-111. At least the Aardvark turned out to be a decent tactical bomber. The F-35 is mediocre on all counts.


31 posted on 03/18/2016 7:30:32 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: Figment

Actually the F-4 wasn’t that bad. The program you should look at is the F-111 program. As originally sold there would be two variants of the F-111. The F-111A would be the AF’s ground based version. The F-111B would be the Navy’s carrier based version. I am not sure how many F-111Bs were produced but not more than a handful. Turned out that carrier operations were a lot tougher than the designers knew.

Oh well, 40 years later the military dreamers tried again with the F-35 with the same basic result - Naval and AF versions are totally different animals. I wonder if it will take another 40 years for another generation of super smart engineers to attempt this particular pipe dream again.


46 posted on 03/18/2016 8:31:04 PM PDT by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
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To: Figment
You’d think they would have learned from the F4 Phantom program that one plane can’t fill all roles

The F-4 was a great bird. It really could fill most of the roles even a bit imperfectly. It was (is) a great airplane.

The F-35 is a turkey. We threw away a winner to take on a loser. It's the equivalent of the F-111 Aardvark. Robert McNamara would be proud...

54 posted on 03/18/2016 9:06:38 PM PDT by Gritty (No Constitution can protect a people that does not know or care about what it says-Daniel Greenfield)
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To: Figment
F4 didn't start out as a be-all/end-all aircraft, it got drafted.
If you want to prove a point go to the F111 (the Edsel & later the Aardvark)
A multi mission tactical fighter/fighter bomber/strategic bomber; which ended up an EW platform.
It was supposed to have a carrier variant as well - never happened.
61 posted on 03/18/2016 10:50:39 PM PDT by norton
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