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To: Blue Collar Christian
I like Cruz, but the cloud of uncertainty over his eligibility is unsettling.

I won't deny that in the minds of some, there is a question about the NBC status of Cruz. But none in mine. I am certain that under any standard, that of the Framers or a modern standard, Cruz is an NBC. Rubio would not be if the standard of the Framers' day were applied, but in the modern age of the 'anchor baby', supported by the courts, he would be. In any case, it ain't gonna be Rubio. He's a dead man walking. It could be Cruz, I think he can have the numbers by Convention time; if not ta majority, then a plurality at least. The Democrats will make eligibility an issue at their own risk. And they will lose in court and everywhere. It's not a good issue for them.

26 posted on 03/11/2016 5:11:05 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: John Valentine

‘And they will lose in court and everywhere. It’s not a good issue for them. ‘
That would be the best scenario.

It appears that you have not paid attention to the thousands of obama eligibility lawsuits.

The liberal courts/judges were all on obama’s side - delaying, avoiding and outright making up the laws or completely ignoring the laws, or bouncing it back to Congress who remained silent...

Every level of government is so corrupted and on the RATS’ side that We the people were completely helpless!

Why would the RATS not crush us again this time when we have a Ted Cruz that was born in Canada to a Cuban father, especially when they stand to lose due to unenthusiastic Dem voters.....................


40 posted on 03/11/2016 5:48:42 AM PST by chrisnj
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To: John Valentine

” I am certain that under any standard, that of the Framers or a modern standard, Cruz is an NBC.”

Ted Cruz is a naturalized U.S. citizen only by the authority of the U.S. Immigration Act of 1952, a naturalization law that confers only naturalized U.S. citizenship. This was confirmed by the U.S. Supreme Court statement: United State v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 18 S.Ct. 456, 42 L.Ed. “A person born out of the jurisdiction of the United States can only become a citizen by being naturalized....” Ted Cruz was born abroad in the foreign nation of Canada as a Canadian citizen, and his U.S. citizenship was acquired only by automatic naturalization. Ted Cruz and all other naturalized citizens of the U.S. are not natural born citizens of the U.S., and they are not eligible to lawfully serve as POTUS.

A significant percentage of Republican voters and a much larger percentage of Democrat voters will not vote for a Presidential candidate born abroad. Consequently, a Ted Cruz campaign will result in a Democrat victory in the 2016 General Election, even if the Democrat candidate was a Yellow Dog candidate.


57 posted on 03/11/2016 6:22:32 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: John Valentine; Blue Collar Christian; Liz
John, you and I have arm-wrestled over this issue, but you seem to have taken a big step towards the light with the following statement:
Rubio would not be [a NBC] if the standard of the Framers' day were applied...

With that you acknowledge parentage is an element of NBC as the founders no doubt intended that term to be understood.

Further, whether you think it relevant or not, it will be the “standard of the Framers' day” that a proper court decision will use to determine the meaning of NBC as the term is used in their document.

You seem intellectually comfortable mixing the concepts of “citizen” and “NBC” in your arguments to arrive at your conclusion. How do you account for the fact the founders used the two terms in expressly different circumstances; that in the context of such exclusive usage one of the terms was clearly given a higher ranking than the other?

It is always interesting to talk with you.

78 posted on 03/11/2016 10:25:58 AM PST by frog in a pot (That an NBC could be born in a foreign country to a foreign parent delights the one-world crowd.)
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