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Confederate flag debate stirred up at Gettysburg Battlefield (Scumbag Professor)
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Posted on 03/07/2016 2:38:12 PM PST by Red in Blue PA

GETTYSBURG, PA (WHTM/CNN) - Tensions ran high during a Confederate flag rally in Pennsylvania this weekend.

A Southern heritage group held what it calls Confederate Flag Day in Gettysburg, PA, but there were plenty of vocal opponents to the event.

The flag has 13 stars, three stripes and two very different meanings.

The refrain is familiar. Supporters such Mark Landree, executive director of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, says it's about history. Opponents like Christina Hansen only see hate.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: civilwar; dixie; gettysburg; museum
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To: Red in Blue PA
Not a problem.
I'm submitting a bona fide compromise involving one white and one red stripe with a blue canton on which is embroidered THE OTHER GUYS.

I was going to suggest a blue field bearing a white shield and red Cross of Saint George but didn't want to hurt any muslim feelings.

(Am I bad for including white in both options?)

41 posted on 03/07/2016 3:37:27 PM PST by norton
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To: This I Wonder32460

Except the South wasn’t fighting for Slavery.


42 posted on 03/07/2016 3:37:52 PM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Vote Tom Hoefling 2016 to restore our God given unalienable rights and Liberty's)
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To: central_va

LOL!


43 posted on 03/07/2016 3:38:31 PM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Vote Tom Hoefling 2016 to restore our God given unalienable rights and Liberty's)
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To: central_va

DEO Vindice


44 posted on 03/07/2016 3:47:31 PM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Vote Tom Hoefling 2016 to restore our God given unalienable rights and Liberty's)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I wonder if, when all vestiges and memories of the Confederacy are finally extinguished, will slavery also become just a figment of the imagination?


45 posted on 03/07/2016 3:50:45 PM PST by Roccus (Fighting POLITICIANS is the true WOT)
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To: Red in Blue PA

What we are seeing is “ ‘Pavlov’s Dog’ form of simple conditioning” in action.

Students with brains full of mush have been conditioned by their professors to foam at the mouth and fall down in fits when they see the Confederate Battle Flag. I think they get great fun seeing just how far they can “condition” each generation of students.

Notice no one falls down in fits when the British Flag is flown, or the Mexican flag, not even the Japanese flag.

The British, Mexicans, and Japanese committed atrocities far beyond what Slavery did in the South. One could walk around with Fascist flags draped around their necks and most students would not even know what they were.


46 posted on 03/07/2016 4:16:59 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: SkyDancer

***One guy with a Confederate flag t-shirt kills some people***

The same little s*it burned an American flag, no different from blacks who pi*s and stomp on the flag. That puts them in the same boat. Birds of a feather flock together.


47 posted on 03/07/2016 4:19:27 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Red in Blue PA
you must do Gettysburg on horseback

Not only did I do Gettysburg on horseback as both a Confederate and Union cavalryman, I got to travel the entire park as the swing trooper on a six horse hitch pulling a 6 pounder James Rifle. We went from Culp's all the way around to Little Round Top. I also participated in demonstrations with artillery on the field in front of the Pennsylvania monument as both Confederate and Union mounted. Our best demonstration was leaving the field pulling the gun by prolong. This was during the 125th Anniversary of the Battle. We also participated as the designated honor artillery section for the dedication of the Gen Gibbon's monument.

48 posted on 03/07/2016 4:25:28 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: Roccus

It will probably be used as an ever present threat, as if people will be bussed into cotton fields if Republicans ever become dominant.


49 posted on 03/07/2016 4:26:46 PM PST by jmcenanly ("The more corrupt the state, the more laws." Tacitus, Publius Cornelius)
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To: Red in Blue PA
It was an American war. Fought by Americans. On both sides. They weren't "Union" and "Confederate" in the grander scheme of things. Their identity was still uniquely American. Albeit one in dire disagreement with itself.

Both sides were fighting for the same ideals, as best each understood them. Not for more land or for control of government. Which is more than can be said of most civil wars throughout history.

It was a very tragic affair. But it was also probably inevitable. Civil war had threatened to happen as far back as the Andrew Jackson administration. It was only delayed, not defused.

The men and women of both the North and the South were handed circumstances which could not be avoided. Each side did what its people could, as best they could in accordance to their consciences and their beliefs. No more, no less.

There was no "good" or "bad" side in the Civil War. There were only people, with human frailties, admirably kept in check for the most part by the belief that there would be an accounting for their actions. That for whatever reason God had let this conflict happen among themselves and that it was given to them to settle it on their own.

Maybe that's part of the cost of this being a free country. That we take responsibility for our governance, and our mistakes. If so, the American Civil War is as mighty a parable as any in the Good Book.

They weren't North. They weren't South. They weren't "slave state" and "free state". There was no Union or Confederacy.

They were one nation struggling to come to terms with the sovereignty it was granted over itself.

I'd say those men and women came out pretty well, compared to other such wars.

And in the decades to come, those men and women held no rancor against each other. Rather they embraced, in love and admiration, as brothers and sisters.

Only in our time has hatred been injected into these chronicles.

It is a damned atrocity that any of those men and women would have that honor and memory denied them by us.

50 posted on 03/07/2016 4:30:22 PM PST by Samwell Tarly
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To: Red in Blue PA

That is an absolutely stunning idea for a vacation. I’m on it.


51 posted on 03/07/2016 4:32:20 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Red in Blue PA; Jolla; mane; mrsmel; animal172; Tilted Irish Kilt; StoneWall Brigade; ...

The letter below is my take on the subject and I actually got it published in Ronald Reagan’s favorite paper, The Washington Times.

Demeaning Our Military Heritage

This country owes as much of its enviable martial heritage to the South as the North. But now to serve popular morality, we must banish from history the Confederate battle flag and those who served under it. Responding to these assertions, I quote Joshua Chamberlain who received the Confederate surrender at Appomattox.

“Before us in proud humiliation stood the embodiment of manhood: men whom neither toils and sufferings, nor the fact of death, nor disaster, nor hopelessness could bend from their resolve; standing before us now, thin, worn, and famished, but erect, and with eyes looking level into ours, waking memories that bound us together as no other bond. Was not such manhood to be welcomed back into a Union so tested and assured?”

Winston Churchill commented concerning American entry into WW II that victory was then assured, because our Civil War demonstrated the tenacity required to defeat the Nazis.

Joshua Chamberlain
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Joshua_Chamberlain


52 posted on 03/07/2016 4:33:29 PM PST by Retain Mike
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To: Red in Blue PA

Thank you for the recommendation. I will add that to my bucket list. I have seen the new Visitor Center, in 2013. It is a somber experience. There were many heroes, both Blue and Grey, that deserve recognition for their sacrifice.


53 posted on 03/07/2016 4:35:04 PM PST by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: StoneWall Brigade

I would think that Manassas or Bull Run. Jackson was a very interesting man. I have a great respect for him.


54 posted on 03/07/2016 4:48:26 PM PST by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: Retain Mike

Those who never served are in an eternal search to rationalize their decisions. They are in an eternal state of guilt because they never stood for anything except for self absorption. They want all of us to embrace their self serving ideology, but we will never do. We think them weak and beyond contempt. I’m glad that I am not one of them.


55 posted on 03/07/2016 5:05:19 PM PST by centurion316
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To: Retain Mike

Great letter. I love the Chamberlain quote-makes me so proud of the southern soldiers, and the northern ones for their recognition of them-and I love the Churchill quote. I’d heard the part where he said that our entry assured victory, but I’d never heard the rest before, about the Civil War and American tenacity, it’s a good point and a great compliment.


56 posted on 03/07/2016 5:05:52 PM PST by mrsmel (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: StoneWall Brigade

Isn’t it amazing, these were the men who actually fought the war, faced each other in battle, and yet they were more clear-eyed about each other and gave each other the due credit and respect, than the stinking contemporary left, who weren’t even there, will give.


57 posted on 03/07/2016 5:12:50 PM PST by mrsmel (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Thank you! Will check it out with wife.


58 posted on 03/07/2016 5:33:28 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Socialists are just communists in their larval stage.)
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To: BatGuano

Yes General StoneWall Jackson, was a fantastic. General I am currently working on a book, on the StoneWall Brigade.


59 posted on 03/07/2016 5:33:52 PM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Vote Tom Hoefling 2016 to restore our God given unalienable rights and Liberty's)
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To: StoneWall Brigade

Jackson’s troops thought he was a nut but loved his battlefield abilities.


60 posted on 03/07/2016 5:35:27 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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