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Trump Reverses His Stance on Torture
WSJ.com ^ | 03/04/2016 | DAMIAN PALETTA

Posted on 03/04/2016 10:51:27 AM PST by GIdget2004

Leading GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump said Friday he wouldn't order the U.S. military to break international laws, addressing criticism from military and legal experts that his policies regarding torture and killing the family members of terrorists would violate the Geneva Convention.

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To: GIdget2004

While some see flip-flopping others see http://blog.dilbert.com/post/140272615821/strategic-ambiguity-master-persuasion-series


81 posted on 03/04/2016 11:50:38 AM PST by ironman
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To: pollywog

I don’t know if you’re being serious or just willfully ignorant because you support another candidate but this is obviously a case of the media trying to make someone look foolish. Waterboarding is not torture so when Trump says he wouldn’t instruct people to break international law of COURSE he’s going to say that. It’s not a referral because his policy has never been to break international law. The media lies, what else is new


82 posted on 03/04/2016 11:54:39 AM PST by wiseprince
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To: ironman
Oh, please. "Godwin's Law" is one of the dumbest, and most intellectually dishonest, memes (disguised as "logic") to hit the online forums. It makes any mention of a parallel with Hitler "verboten", no matter how apt it is; it's "argument by mockery" which seeks to shut down the other side without the hard work of actually trying to refute anything.
83 posted on 03/04/2016 11:55:39 AM PST by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: GunRunner

Continual lies about Donald Trump do not necessarily a flip flopper make out of Donald Trump.

Nice try, though.


84 posted on 03/04/2016 11:55:56 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: GIdget2004

Well, that isn’t good. I didn’t know he said that. Kind of reckless IMO. Maybe under certain circumstances terrorist families should be detained. But “taking them out” is a reckless statement.


85 posted on 03/04/2016 11:56:05 AM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216
Killing families of terrorists? When did he say he would do that?

Started in December. Repeated it last night.

86 posted on 03/04/2016 11:56:34 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: reegs
I, and many don't give a damn about lawsuits. Anyone can bring a lawsuit, even the State can bring up charges for utterly ulterior bogus motives (see Gov Perry, see Duke Lacrosse players).

Who gives a crap about a silly civil lawsuit.

If AFTER DECADES of TRUMP being in business, they can only bring up a silly "CIVIL" lawsuit brought on by a couple of people, then you know you're grasping at straws.


87 posted on 03/04/2016 11:59:07 AM PST by LibFreeUSA
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To: GIdget2004
"The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don't kid yourself. When they say they don't care about their lives, you have to take out their families," Trump said.

Holy mackerel. I missed that reference, until now.

Up to this point, I'd thought Trump was just vulgar, shallow, arrogant, and blowhard-ish; but this certifies him as a full-blooded lunatic.

...and loads of people are still voting for him, and cheerleading. Wow. Just... sad. America is morally burning to the ground, before our eyes.

88 posted on 03/04/2016 11:59:18 AM PST by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: DoodleDawg

We should know by now he’s going to push the edges.

In a lot of cases of Islamoterrorism the families were in fact in on it. We might allow Donald the implied parenthetical qualifier “(if due battlefield surveillance finds them to be involved in active warfare).” Before getting our hair totally on napalm fire.

Have we suddenly turned into screaming gutless liberals? I thought Donald was too un-conservative, can we make up our minds?


89 posted on 03/04/2016 12:01:31 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: pollywog

We Trump people are smart enough to know that Trump would gather the military leaders and discuss what he expects. Lord he has been a leader for decades. He knows how this works. Lord you Cruz guys are so gullible.


90 posted on 03/04/2016 12:01:48 PM PST by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016)
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To: Solson

Seems like some in FR are using the RAT ‘no torture’ playbook when it suits their interests.


91 posted on 03/04/2016 12:02:30 PM PST by LibFreeUSA
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To: GIdget2004

I think it’s best just to kill the terrorists because water boarding would be too harsh.


92 posted on 03/04/2016 12:04:28 PM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: DoodleDawg

No I didn’t hear him say “take out the families” last night but apparently said it before which I consider to be a reckless statement. We don’t intentionally kill innocent people but we should accept collateral death in wartime although we should always try to minimize that.


93 posted on 03/04/2016 12:04:34 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: paladinan

“Take out” doesn’t necessarily mean summarily bomb them, in fact no common sense person would take it that way. If these are civilians, investigate and follow up via appropriate enforcement channels. If they are found on battlefield, address them as such. Known dedicated public enemies on a nomadic warpath can be sniped/hellfired/etc. Israel does it already.


94 posted on 03/04/2016 12:04:45 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: reegs
That sounds an awful lot like a war crime to me.

If you really believe that you should lead an effort to try both President Obama and President Bush, as well as whoever did the target planning for many of the missile and bomb attacks launched during their terms in office.

There are plenty of instances where bombs were dropped or missiles fired at targets where family members of the target were known to be present. In some cases the drone operators saw them before they pressed the fire button.

Plenty of innocent people die during wars, which is one of the many reasons to try to avoid them.

95 posted on 03/04/2016 12:06:14 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I posted a challenge if you'd like to back up your assertion that I'm "lying" about Donald Trump:

Name a conservative and/or limited government policy stance that Trump holds, that he has also not held the opposite view some time in the past.

E.G. Supports the assault weapons ban in the past, but now says he supports the 2nd Amendment.

96 posted on 03/04/2016 12:07:08 PM PST by GunRunner
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To: Jim 0216

The fact there wasn’t a mongo fuss before might mean that people are understanding some implied context.

If there was less automatic gotcha towards Trump and more attempt to find out if he means something reasonable, we would have a lot less cases of our own hair on fire (if not also our pants).

If Ronald Reagan could “trust but verify” the USSR maybe we could do so to Trump?


97 posted on 03/04/2016 12:09:12 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: GunRunner

Nothing you have attributed to me is correct, nothing.
I have no interest in or attraction to Trump fame.
Politics has nothing to do with emotional release. It has everything to do with genuine accomplishment.
Your third point has no meaning. Clearly the president makes deals. That much is well within his Constitutional authority.
Your response to me is clearly emotional and certainly hysterical. I have no idea from your comments what you look for in a president.
Opposition to Trump seems to be based completely on emotional reactions to hysterical perceptions.


98 posted on 03/04/2016 12:09:37 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (Stop Islam and save the world.)
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To: GunRunner

Googled it.

The Fourht Geneva Convention explicitly excludes Nationals of a State which is not bound by the Convention.

Since these “nationals” are not members of a state bound by the convention, they are pirates with no protection under internation treaties.


99 posted on 03/04/2016 12:09:41 PM PST by ZULU (If you support Stokes or Obama, you are too stupid to own a gun.)
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To: GunRunner

Many of these lies you are repeating from other sources without due diligence.


100 posted on 03/04/2016 12:09:58 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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