[Hugin]

I know you weren’t saying it was. I was just embellishing your argument. Few people know we used it for many years to train some of our own troops to resist interrogation.

[Sacajaweau]

I'm not sure anyone knows that doing away with it was by executive order. But from his speech, someone informed Trump. But he's saving that knowledge for a future debate.

But it did make the rats come out....so he could see his target.