Posted on 03/02/2016 8:46:57 PM PST by SeekAndFind
I have made no secret of my support for Cruz and the fact that if Trump or Rubio are the nominee then I will not be voting for president in the fall If that's going "Cloward and Piven" then so be it.
It's plain that Obamacare has solved nothing and has actually made the situation worse in many ways. The fact that it has to go is a no-brainer. But replacing it with plans that do nothing or make things worse is not a solution either. I'd rather repeal Obamacare rather than make it worse.
RE: He was really talking about making sure that no American has to die (meaning anywhere - in the street, in their bed, in the train station, etc.) just because they cannot afford any kind of health insurance.
OK, let’s get real here — NOBODY wants people to die just because they don;t have health insurance. Therefore, what’s the solution?
Obama’s solution is to MANDATE that everyone has one.
Does that mean that there are no people today who are dying and everyone is taken care of now?
RE: Others later falsely tried to label that idea “single-payer” - it is not.
Trump wants ALL people taken care of. Fine, I want that to happen too...
The question is HOW does this get realized without government coming to the picture?
The way to get Obamacare ended is to say "get rid of the mandate". Nobody could possibly vote against that and get re-elected. After that and with competition to sell insurance, Obamacare will wither away.
And what Cruz says? A few weeks ago Teddy and the Cruzers were saying the wall was Cruz's idea. With that last debate, Cruz was tag-teaming with Rubio and afterwards saying he'd support Rubio ahead of Trump. Any talk of supporting Rubio is most certainly a repudiation of the wall.
What's my point? Cruz makes pronouncements but doesn't back them up with actions or with viable, realistic ways to achieve them.
DrewsMom, I say this as a cyber-friend. You're being played. Cruz is not on our side. It's become quite evident he's a globalist who's getting directions from sources we don't control. I won't try to change your mind, just encourage you to stay objective and keep an open mind as events evolve.
No I don't think either Cruz's proposals or Trump's plan will make things better or act as a solution to Obamacare. The difference is that Cruz doesn't pretend that his is.
Perhaps Cruz should take the credit for this plan, as eartick pointed out. It’s almost the same as the Cruz plan.
Cruz has proposed no replacement so I don't think that is accurate. He's talked about buying insurance across state lines but since he has respect for the Constitution I don't see him trashing the 10th Amendment in that way. And it wouldn't do much to save money anyway. It's a good sound bite and that's about it.
One more thing: I had heard Trump tell Hannity that our health insurance covers a lot of things we will never need.
That's true. My healthcare plan covers treatment for cancer which, God willing, I will never need. My plan covers mammograms, which I will need in the coming years, and prostate issues, which I won't. So is the solution a market basket-style pick-and-choose where I can select from a list of things I want covered? How much extra cost will managing and pricing plans like that add to the insurance companies?
RE: Cruz is not on our side. It’s become quite evident he’s a globalist who’s getting directions from sources we don’t control.
You don’t have to like Ted Cruz, but please learn about his background before you make such a statement.
For instance, the case of: Medellín v. Texas
Medellín v. Texas, 552 U.S. 491 (2008), is a United States Supreme Court decision that held that even if an international treaty may constitute an international commitment, it is not binding domestic law unless Congress has enacted statutes implementing it or unless the treaty itself is “self-executing.”
Also, the Court held that decisions of the International Court of Justice are not binding domestic law and that, without authority from the United States Congress or the Constitution, the President of the United States lacks the power to enforce international treaties or decisions of the International Court of Justice.
Who defended US sovereignty and states’ rights ? ANSWER: TED CRUZ.
Ted Cruz’s Record of defending U.S. Sovereignty:
* Fought and won a landmark ruling for U.S. sovereignty in Medellin v. Texas at the U.S. Supreme Court against 90 foreign nations and the President to ensure the supremacy of U.S. legal system against encroachment by international treaties and rulings of the “World Court.”
* Cosponsored a resolution urging the president not to sign the UN Arms Treaty, which would have subordinated the Second Amendments rights of American citizens to global interests.
THE RECORD IS THERE FOR ALL TO SEE. It is not simply words but DEEDS.
And BTW, why are you talking about globalism in a thread that’s about AMERICAN healthcare?
RE: If Cruz continues to say that Trump is for Obamacare and for expanding Obamacare he is official lying.
Trump might be against “Obamacare”, but he’s definitely for some government involvement.
See Post #312 above.
RE: If Cruz continues to say that Trump is for Obamacare and for expanding Obamacare he is official lying.
Trump might be against “Obamacare”, but he’s definitely for some government involvement.
See Post #312 above.
‘I have made no secret of my support for Cruz and the fact that if Trump or Rubio are the nominee then I will not be voting for president in the fall If that’s going “Cloward and Piven” then so be it.’
Glenn Beck will be so proud.
And he’s right ...
Hillary, Beck, and the Pope Warned U About Trump [vanity]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3403254/posts
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Well folks, now that it’s already too late to get the word out, I am taking this time to gloat. I am evil, and Trump is evil. You might as well get ready to face it — your silly republic is doomed... [snip]
I see most here calling for insurance companies to cover everything as long as they have affordable premiums.
For instance car insurance doesn’t cover oil changes or tires, it only covers an accident.
Health insurance should be the same but over the years we’ve been conditioned to not even pay for a yearly check up let alone our own prescriptions.
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The advent of, what were they called- PPE's? in the late 1970’s has caused all of this. Many took advantage of minimal co-pays to visit the doctor for every sniffle and insurance became cheap “health care” as a result.
Prices began to skyrocket for reasons you already know, so I won't get into it. The bottom line is, we need to get back to the system of “catastrophic insurance” rather than “general health care insurance”.
The elderly and truly disabled surely have a need for both, but if the healthy would pay a few bucks for their own colds and flu, there would be more resources to help those truly in need.
Oh please Almighty Arthur, put the Trump curse on me, so that I may be evil too!!!
regarding ... Trump Wants to Permit Customized Plans ....
You might try to mock customization options with strawman arguments, but first off ...
If you want a standard ‘cover everything’ policy? Hey, less paperwork. You compare the costs.
Freedom. Short and simple.
And computerizatino will cut the costs of paperwork, especially when we enjoy deregulation.
Secondly ... you don’t think AIDS doesn’t jack up your cost?
And then there’s mental illness coverage. Many forms of mental illness are due to drug abuse. A person could opt for no mental illness coverage in one plan and have another that allows drug testing when somone seeks treatment for mental illness. And certain kinds of mental illness are more expensive than others.
And there’s a long, long list of many ‘junk science’ versions of mental illness, and I bet you pay out the nose for them.
It's the things that happened during the campaign that have turned us away, and wondering who he is today. How do you explain him turning in just two weeks from the wall was his idea to saying he'd support Rubio over Trump, and doing the tag-team thing with Rubio? How could ANYONE support Rubio over Trump, if they really believe the wall must be built?
Trump told Hannity that he wants to allow customized health coverage. For example, mental illness.
First off, most new forms of ‘mental illness’ are just junk science. And yet all insurance pays for them.
Secondly, customized mental illness coverage [on the side] could allow drug testing. [Drug abuse triggers most mental illness.] Everyone please note ... a strand of your hair can reveal if you smoked pot in the last seven years!
Technology WILL improve even more in the future.
More freedom is what Trump is about. And deregulation. Yes, it’s pragmatic. But any plan that passes congress will be pragmatic for the next decade or so at least.
That’s a strange and completely unrelated comparison.
Then again, I want the Medical Device Tax, prohibition on doctor owned hospitals, individual mandate, etc. to go away. Maybe Congress should go do their jobs instead of freaking out over Trump.
If others wish to be evil, here is our world domination pamphlet ...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3403254/posts
Huh? Not my position. Go yell at the guy who advocates this position.
I'm sure heart transplants and lung cancer are factored into my coverage as well but I don't expect to need that any more than I'll need AIDS coverage. Insurance policies factor a lot of risks into the price, some relating only to men and some relating only to women. They produce a policy. Not a man's policy, not a woman's policy, but a policy.
My recollection was it was the HMO (health maintenance orgs.) started by Kennedy in 1973??
You could be right though.
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