Be the guy who rejects the overreaching demands of government? Sure thing! You're welcome to join me, if and when you come to your senses.
Posted on 02/29/2016 12:16:29 PM PST by Swordmaker
Be the guy who rejects the overreaching demands of government? Sure thing! You're welcome to join me, if and when you come to your senses.
...providing the FBI with a signed iPhone Software file, recovery bundle or other Software image File (“SIF”) that can be loaded onto the SUBJECT DEVICE...Fortunately, the latest court precedent suggests that Apple's appeal to prevent this fiasco will be successful.
You are just going to insist on pushing the ad hominem, aren't you?
...but not here in the real world:
There is a difference between abuse and something done in accordance with the normal rule of law. I'm not sure your link is factual in all accounts, but even assuming it is, this does not justify a refusal to follow the normal rule of law in regular legal proceedings.
What needs to be done here is for the Abuse to be stopped, and the normal and usual legal processes to be implemented as they have existed since our government was founded.
Profit is great. It is how our society operates, but it's not okay to make profit "superior" to innocent lives. Or do you disagree?
Fortunately, it seems that you and other government apologists are the ones swimming against the tide this time:
Congress tells FBI that forcing Apple to unlock iPhones is "a fool's errand"The Justice Department is on a “fool’s errand” trying to force Apple to unlock the iPhone used by one of the San Bernardino terrorists, lawmakers told FBI director James Comey on Tuesday.
Lawmakers of both parties sharply challenged Comey as the House judiciary committee considered the FBI’s court order to unlock an iPhone owned by Syed Farook, who with his wife killed 14 people at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, California, in December and was killed by law enforcement.
Legislators repeatedly accused the Justice Department of overreaching its authority and undermining both privacy and cybersecurity....
It is a standard socialist slander that “greedy businessmen” put “profit” ahead of the “innocent lives” of the working class. I’m not seeing how your argument is any better than theirs.
The obvious answer is that the government's past behavior has made it impossible for any prudent person to trust them. It would be as stupid and reckless as putting Bill Clinton in charge of a college girls' dormitory.
Well exactly. That's why nobody wants them to have the ability to spy on people without a warrant. I really don't have a problem with them spying on people when they *DO* have a warrant, but warrant less searches are a no-no.
So long as the process requires them getting a warrant for Apple to break a phone, I am okay with it. As long as Apple maintains complete control of the process, all of Apple's concerns are also addressed.
Stopping the existing abuses is certainly necessary, but it is far from sufficient. Would you (for example) let an embezzler keep his job, with continued access to company funds, if he gave back the money he’d been caught stealing and promised not to do it again?
You see Apple as a mighty defender of virtue. I see them as a narcissistic self-interest driven pragmatist who will cave to the demands of barbarian nations because they will want to continue selling product in those barbarian nations. Google did it. Microsoft did it. I expect companies like Twitter and Facebook will do it, (if they haven't already caved) and Apple will do it too. (if they haven't already done so.)
As for "slipping." China is not "slipping", China is advancing their tech and economy more and more every day. Their market will make ours look weak.
The FBI says they did ask discretely, but Apple decided to stop helping them, even though they've done it many times before. The FBI says they were left with no choice but to pursue a court order.
Their statements ring more true to me than does Apple's statements, especially with all the fear mongering in which Apple has engaged.
> Apple is NOT going to leave so simple a method of getting around 256 bit AES ENCRYPTION which REQUIRES and MUST HAVE the input of a USER PASSCODE to DECIPHER the user data as just re-installing the operating system with the DFU mode.
Who said anything about getting around encryption? The Apple page instructs how the OS can be reinstalled without loss of data.
Pathetic.
Maybe so, but unless I see evidence to the contrary, i'll still trust his opinion more than that of the entire Gleichschaltung stampeded herd of the tech-industry. (Mostly located in Apple country)
Also your argument is a fallacy of the form "argumentum ad populum". It's basically saying that the guy in the picture I previously posted is wrong because everyone else disagrees with him.
Look, if you just want to make snide comments and call each other names, I can do that too, but I find it boring and will probably go do something else if that's what this has devolved into.
Sometimes the cops have a search warrant for some documents, but the owner burned them. Sometimes the cops have a search warrant for some documents, but the owner shredded them. Sometimes the cops have a search warrant for some documents, but the owner encrypted them. The cops are certainly welcome to make their best effort to read the ashes, reattach the confetti, or crack the encryption, but it's not up to anyone else to make it easier.
No, my argument was a form of “argument from authority”. It is not always reliable (particularly if the “authority” is an expert on the wrong subject for the case at hand), but it’s generally a good guide if you stay alert for the pitfalls.
> There’s a chance you can re-install the current operating system without erasing the user data, but YOU WILL HAVE TO STILL INPUT THE USER PASSCODE TO ACCESS IT. Got it now????
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> However, any CHANGES to the firmware, or a reversion to an earlier iOS version WILL result in the data being erased and the only way to recover the data is from a BACKU
Don’t install an earlier version, install a “new” version which does not limit retries. Do this in a closed environment on a private network.
Your previous posts did not lead me to suspect that you found snideness and namecalling to be boring. I suppose it's possible that you have some sort of masochistic compulsion to bore yourself.
Yeah, well the entire world sided against Galileo, but guess who turned out to be right?
I'm not sure being right when everybody else is wrong is a common experience for you, but it has been such a regular occurrence throughout my life to the point where I just expect it anymore.
I am occasionally wrong, but what will convince me is a good argument backed up by a good set of facts, not the numbers of people who think things are a certain way. The Majority of people thought Barack Obama was a good idea, and myself and others thought it would be an epic disaster.
So which way did the "tech industry" go on the Barack Obama question?
They are not overreaching. Apple keeps asserting that they are, and people keep echoing and parroting that they are, but they are actually not overreaching.
"To the contrary, the Order allows Apple to retain custody of its sofware at all times, and it gives Apple flexibility in the manner in which it provides assistance. In fact, the software never has to come into the government's custody."
Read it yourself, and see if you don't find it reasonable.
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Sure thing! You're welcome to join me, if and when you come to your senses.
You are just following a popular movement. You aren't really weighing the various conflicting assertions, and reasoning it out, you are following the herd.
Apple is stampeding them, and therefore you.
You aren't swimming against the tide. You are going along with it.
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