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Trump wants to weaken libel laws amid feuds with reporters
Associated Press ^ | February 27, 2016 | Jeff Horwitz

Posted on 02/27/2016 2:46:21 PM PST by reaganaut1

Edited on 02/27/2016 2:52:46 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: reaganaut1

Can someone explain why we need “media” anymore?


41 posted on 02/27/2016 3:19:09 PM PST by palmer (Net "neutrality" = Obama turning the internet over to foreign enemies)
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To: reaganaut1

New York Times v. Sullivan

Held: A State cannot, under the First and Fourteenth Amendments, award damages to a public official for defamatory falsehood relating to his official conduct unless he proves “actual malice” — that the statement was made with knowledge of its falsity or with reckless disregard of whether it was true or false. Pp. 265-292.

(a) Application by state courts of a rule of law, whether statutory or not, to award a judgment in a civil action, is “state action” under the Fourteenth Amendment. P. 265.

(b) Expression does not lose constitutional protection to which it would otherwise be entitled because it appears in the form of a paid advertisement. Pp. 265-266. [p255]

(c) Factual error, content defamatory of official reputation, or both, are insufficient to warrant an award of damages for false statements unless “actual malice” — knowledge that statements are false or in reckless disregard of the truth — is alleged and proved. Pp. 279-283.

(d) State court judgment entered upon a general verdict which does not differentiate between punitive damages, as to which, under state law, actual malice must be proved, and general damages, as to which it is “presumed,” precludes any determination as to the basis of the verdict, and requires reversal, where presumption of malice is inconsistent with federal constitutional requirements. P. 284.

(e) The evidence was constitutionally insufficient to support the judgment for respondent, since it failed to support a finding that the statements were made with actual malice or that they related to respondent. Pp. 285-292.

[p256]


42 posted on 02/27/2016 3:19:39 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: minnesota_bound

Meet the new boss...


43 posted on 02/27/2016 3:19:42 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: dschapin

Amen brother. he is a goon. And his followers will do anything he orders. Sad to say that there are a lot of people here that fits that mold. Their hatred of the left is driving them into a dark place where anything is possible. I am very afraid because after reading history I know how this will end.


44 posted on 02/27/2016 3:19:53 PM PST by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: Jarhead9297
You said...
“Don’t waste your breath, remember “I could shoot someone and my supporters would still back me”

It doesn’t matter what he will do or say hope and change 2.0 has taken root and along with it many so called conservatives with it.”

I will admit when he first came on the scene it was refreshing to hear someone talk about illegal immigration like he did and taking on all political correctness and still survive and thrive. And to poke his finger in the eyes of the political establishment.

But after that, issues matter. He's right on illegal immigration but then he's had flip flops on that issue in the past. It was the drip, drip, drip of his past statements, positions, and even things he said during the campaign. And someone once said when it becomes clear to him that the nomination is his, he will start to drift towards his natural inclination which is closer to the left. I get people can and do change positions over time, but he'll change them depending on the audience. I do believe we will end up with TrumpCare should he win. I also believe he will continue to grow the federal government

45 posted on 02/27/2016 3:20:15 PM PST by LMAO ("Begging hands and bleeding hearts will only cry out for more" Anthem by Rush)
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To: dschapin
Trump supporters seem to be fine with a government controlled press.

Why not? Putin has one.
46 posted on 02/27/2016 3:21:18 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: minnesota_bound

He got the lying liberal press whining back.


47 posted on 02/27/2016 3:21:49 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: dschapin

But they don’t seem that it realize that trickles down to us, no one will be safe from his tyranny.


48 posted on 02/27/2016 3:22:52 PM PST by annieokie
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To: All

For all who think it is a great idea:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3116989/posts
“Conservative website shuttered after libel ruling [Free Dominion]”
http://freerepublic.com/tag/freedominion/index?tab=articles

Free Dominion was our sister site in Canada.
“Opened” libel laws were used to silence them.


49 posted on 02/27/2016 3:22:53 PM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

They were willing to get shot in broad daylight a month or so ago, so this probably won’t even phase them.


50 posted on 02/27/2016 3:33:18 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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Folks, if you're reading this, you know what needs to happen.
It doesn't take a big contribution. Pick your comfort level and
please join others to help put the FReepathon to rest. Thank you.

The above note was first presented to you on 02/25 at around 11:00.
The goal shortfall at that time is depicted to you on the left.
The graphic on the right reveals our status as of 02/26 22:30.
We can finish this by Sunday night. Let's do it.

Let's give Jim, his crew, and us a full month to rest up.

Jim, his crew, and every other FReeper thanks you.

51 posted on 02/27/2016 3:33:40 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Facing Trump nomination inevitability, folks are now openly trying to help Hillary destroy him.)
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To: reaganaut1
Point of Constitutional order. Being President, he would represent the Executive Branch. The law enforcement, not the law making body of Government. So just how would he in that "branch", "loosen libel laws"? What would be the specifics and how would he bring about change within the limited role of the executive branch? Would such an effort even be approved by Congress and stand up to Supreme Court review? Would he just issue a press restraining order via executive order? Supporters, you seem somewhat obligated in this conservative forum to speak for your man and his intent.
52 posted on 02/27/2016 3:50:55 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Trump holds out a closed fist to all our key Asian allies & hasn't a word of support. Disruptive.)
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To: reaganaut1

It is about time that the media is taken to task.

They will not do their duty. They only do what the DC Uni-Party tell them to do.


53 posted on 02/27/2016 3:54:22 PM PST by Redleg Duke (Remember...after the primaries, we better still be on the same team!)
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To: reaganaut1

And everyone falls for it hook line and sinker.. Since many here do not support Trump, you might fail to realize the “shot across the bow” approach he likes to take. He says something seemingly outrageous and everyone is now taking about the first amendment and the Sullivan Case and Justice Scalia’s thoughts on the matter. Pundits wonder if the press is liable for printing malicious lies, etc...everyone gets their panties into a wad, but the issue is thrashed about and everyone talks about Trump instead of Marco’s latest insults.

Trump is playing with you and you predictably fall for it. He does this on purpose to see media heads explode.


54 posted on 02/27/2016 3:57:34 PM PST by abigkahuna (How can you be at two places at once when you are nowhere at all?)
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To: minnesota_bound

Trump hasn’t even begun to be vetted by the media yet.

That will begin when he’s the nominee and there’s no going back.


55 posted on 02/27/2016 4:02:44 PM PST by DB
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To: LMAO

And I believe your analysis is correct.


56 posted on 02/27/2016 4:04:42 PM PST by DB
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To: DB

I can simplify the Trump camp’s ad campaign. Johnny Cash already recorded a song which would fit perfectly ... “A Boy Named Sue.” Trump’s demeanor is quite puerile (like a playground bully)and when anyone questions him about something he doesn’t want to answer or something he doesn’t like, he starts yelling “Sue!” Despite the size of his bank account and his entrepreneurial success, he remains “A Boy Named Sue,” an immature one at that.


57 posted on 02/27/2016 4:12:07 PM PST by T Baden (Tenth Amendment Texan)
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To: Gasshog
Libel actions are civil actions and subject to "preponderance of evidence" standards of proof (more rather than less likely) once the plaintiff meets the high standards of actual malice and knowingly lies of the defendant.

In the arena of fines for such behavior, the plaintiff will have to prove his case "beyond a reasonable doubt" which is a much higher standard.

58 posted on 02/27/2016 4:29:38 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: Lagmeister; dschapin

You might want to familiarize yourself with the controversy surrounding criticism of George Washington by a newspaper known as the Philadelphia Aurora.


59 posted on 02/27/2016 4:46:23 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: goodwithagun

Probably not.


60 posted on 02/27/2016 6:03:01 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Trump to McCain - "Pass the strawberries".)
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