Posted on 02/25/2016 4:00:34 PM PST by NYer
You can, but it's up to them whether or not they want to do it.
They will probably just tell you "Too bad. So Sad."
the alternative is throwing away the phone.
They wouldn't be upset if you had to buy another phone. Besides that, I think you can wipe it and then reuse it. You'd just lose your data.
Apple is right about this. If the government can FORCE them to develop a product against their will and without payment, especially a product that specifically obviates a major strategic and competitive marketing tool that they offer products that guarantee privacy and which potentially could cost Apple billions in lost sales and good will, then the government can order pretty much any company to do anything they want. In other words, the U.S. government becomes a full-blown fascist organization.
Because this time, for the first time, the court is trying to compel a private company into creating something that hasn't already been created. In effect, forcing them to write new code (which previous court decisions have said equals speech, thus compelling Apple to say something they don't want to say), *and* causing them to spend time and money to do things that are against Apple's interest.
I'm fine with warrants being appropriately issued and complied with, which is part of the rule of law in this country. But this is an entirely new use of a warrant, and one that gives the government an oppressive new power. This is uncharted legal territory.
“This is uncharted legal territory.”
Exactly. The amount of disinformation is staggering. It is not only as onerous that apple has made it sound, the big lie is that they are made to rewrite the ios. Simply not true. They are saying it would cost a fortune. Simply not true. The 53 billion dollar a year corporation has (inflated, in many opinions) 3-4 engineers X 2 weeks. The court said they would pay for it. The fact that a legally issued waarrant will not be complied with is the result of the new legal territory. But Apple is misrepresenting this horribly and the computer guys here know it. There can be no way around this. The 4th amendment can not be rplied to by simply saying “you can’t have it.” I think at some ponit it will have to be acknowledged that either a legal work around or constitutional change must be concluded. We can not survive the stripping of the constitution anymore than the “oppressive new power” that has not been proven. I think I understand and have told many here that it is both a tragedy and a curiosity that the one Justice that would have held a lot of sway with an opinion passed away days before this blew up.
bkmk
Why are you here?
Kinda says it all, but maybe delete the “of a name” to be more specific.
Bigboob-—
Unlock a few of your damn brain cells!
To find reasonable people with whom I could discuss ideas and strategy for repairing the damage caused by liberal ideas and ideology.
This is sometimes difficult because so many people on this board are knee jerk reactionary in attitude and shallow in thought.
But there are a few intelligent and rational people here, so they make it all worthwhile.
Yes, I can imagine what sort of "Manhattan Project" level of difficulty it must require to modify an existing piece of code so that one subroutine no longer counts to 10.
Fiendishly difficult!
*and* causing them to spend time and money to do things that are against Apple's interest.
Dan Abrahms, legal consultant for ABC News said that the courts apply an "undue burden" test. If it is not an "undue burden" an order forcing compliance can be issued. Apparently the Judge didn't think it was a horribly difficult thing to remove a tiny piece of code that counts to 10.
But while we are on this subject, when the government first wanted to tap telephone communications, it was the telephone company that had to build the equipment necessary to do it. Of course companies back then felt it was their duty to assist the government in court ordered searches and so they did what they could to help. Different era then.
But this is an entirely new use of a warrant, and one that gives the government an oppressive new power. This is uncharted legal territory.
Not really. Just substitute "write software" for "make tools to tap phone lines" and you've basically got the same thing, at least from a legal philosophy sort of position.
Well stated. You clarify the issue greatly in just a few words, though I fear your wisdom is falling mostly on deaf ears.
I've seen you around arguing the same position as myself, while most people take the "OH MY GOD !!! THE SKY IS GOING TO FALL IF APPLE HAS TO OBEY THE ORDER!" position.
Apple has done a lot to deliberately generate a lot of mass hysteria, and the only reason of which I can think that they might be doing this is because they are hoping enough political pressure will allow them to get away with it.
I guess it depends upon what sort of Federal Judge they end up with. Some of them just do not give a sh*t how big you are, or how much political pressure you can bring to bear, they are going to make you do what they want regardless of what you like.
Of course, at this point I think they have sort of made it personal, and now I think the Judge will be seen as backing down if she/he doesn't enforce their order.
Anyways, it's good to see that there are some of us who do not bend to every prevailing wind and take the popular position.
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