Posted on 02/24/2016 11:22:24 AM PST by TBP
Your post really does sound like Trump: NO amnesty (amnesty after...), no way agree with amnesty (until..) amnesty no/amnesty yes..
While your post sounds like Ted Cruz supporters, nothing of substance, just attacks.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
That is an excellent immigration platform. I think it is the one Jeff Sessions worked up for Trump, and if Sessions is involved it has to be good. When I heard that Trump had huddled with Sessions before coming up with his campaign position on immigration, I let out a “yehaw”.
Thanks for posting, mac_truck.
However, since adopting that position, Trump has touted that after he has deported the illegals, most of them will be readmitted as legal immigrants:
http://www.newsweek.com/who-knew-trump-favors-amnesty-undocumented-immigrants-395512
That’s a no-can-do with me. I opposed it when it was being pushed during Jorge Bush’s administration and I won’t support it now just because it is being pushed by Trump.
Trump once he has established a policy position should stick with it. Forget the yo-yoing back and forth.
When the big deal of your campaign is illegal immigration then re-imported illegal immigrants...
Trump says he’ll let them back in and give them “legal status.†Then citizenship? “We’ll see; later, down the line, who knows?â€
Go to 5:00 mark:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/29/politics/donald-trump-immigration-plan-healthcare-flip-flop/index.html
Fixed version:
When the big deal of your campaign is illegal immigration then re-imported illegal immigrants...
Trump says he’ll let them back in and give them “legal status.” Then citizenship? “We’ll see; later, down the line, who knows?”
Go to 5:00 mark:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/29/politics/donald-trump-immigration-plan-healthcare-flip-flop/index.html
Until we get this under control we will continue to spiral out of control.
The bottom line is I can cherry pick statements made by Ted Cruz to give the impression that he too supports amnesty, and when you try to defend using his past statements I can label those as lies. That he is now masking his real intentions on amnesty. The fact that we have allowed this problem to grow as big as it has is what makes the task very hard to tackle to say the least.
Perhaps I should ask what you think Trump's true motivations are for running for President. Is he solely seeking power to benefit himself personally? If so, how? Does he just want to stroke his ego by being able to have President on his resume? Do you think he is insincere that he wants to make America great again? I'm not asking you these specific questions just asking general questions to spark a topic or topics you may think is or are his real motivation(s).
The 14th Amendment was really authored to make black slaves and perhaps even indentured servants who were born here to be considered citizens. Unfortunately it was written by lawyers who in my humble opinion did a terrible job of wording it and created irreparable harm to our country by opening the Jus Soli argument to take hold, which was never intended to be the case by our Founders.
There are lots of topics to discuss but if we broaden the scope now it becomes impossible to focus, so I'll stop at this point.
Thanks for your reply. I’ll do my best on your questions:
>>>Is he solely seeking power to benefit himself personally?
I think so, mostly, but not totally. Few are completely self-absorbed. His history indicates that when given a choice, he acts in his own interest; e.g., three marriages, Atlantic City.. steamrolling, suing others. The whole “winning” (cue Charlie Sheen) thing does.
I think the presidency is his ultimate power goal. I remember one politician telling me: “If you have money, you have power; if you have a lot of power, you don’t even need money - but it will come.”
Money/power/fame. I think this is - obviously IMHO - what drives Trump. There’s relatively little in his history to indicate otherwise.
>>>Does he just want to stroke his ego by being able to have President on his resume?
See above. I would question the judgement of anyone who said “Donald Trump does *not* have a yuge ego.” Donald Trump has the Mother of All Egos. And huge egos need feeding, a lot of feeding. Constant, hourly, Twitterly feeding.
>>>Do you think he is insincere that he wants to make America great again?
No, I think he sincerely does, but I think he also views it as an opportunity for his greatest renovation project.
But he would fail miserably as he has in some of his projects. He’s not equipped for it and doesn’t have the skills, depth, temperament and knowledge to succeed as president.
But I believe he thinks he can. He thinks he is superman. Whatever it is he thinks can do it. It’s a great trait in a person (unless you’re married to them). But as an investor you have to look at whether he really can. He’s always going to say he can.
His experience and success show his talent for construction, renovation, self-promotion, never-giving-up, and risk taking. I really admire him for a lot of things. A lot of things, I don’t admire him for.
I believe he has a flaw in not being able to admit his limitations. And no one stays around him that can say so. No one he allows around him is going to say: “Donald, macro-economics and trade barriers are not really like negotiating a licensing and management contract.”
And Trump has no foundation in conservatism, free enterprise to guide him. It’s a very damaging mix for the American economy.
Also he lacks scruples and integrity. He has, admittedly, done things for his own benefit to the detriment of his country. When someone’s personal values are opposed to their other values (family, community, country), they are not an integrated person - lacking in integrity. And when they choose personal as Trump has, this is a major flaw for a national leader.
He has chosen to live and do business in an autocracy. His choice, and it has definitely worked for him personally, but this is not good experience for president. And he talks as though he thinks the U.S. president is an autocrat.
>>>just asking general questions to spark a topic or topics you may think is or are his real motivation..
I understand and appreciate your motivation. :) I realize my answers (and your questions) are somewhat armchair psychology, but I think I’ve answered them such that they are objectively true.
I also realize I’ve gone off a bit into capability, suitability - the results of the psychoanalysis if he’s elected. I hope you’ll forgive. If you want, just ignore that portion. I had second thought about deleting it, but it seemed too intwined.
Thanks again for your reply.
Your Post 8 was the PERFECT response.
An uplifting read. Informative. Detailed.
And I thank you for your response as well. I'll even go as far as to say, a very fine response in fact. One devoid of emotion, and that goes a long way toward helping in making a case.
Your politician friend is correct, when you assume power, money will follow, but it does take money to assume that power. That money can come initially from others, so it doesn't have to be yours. The Presidency has the potential for power, but only if it is actually exercised by the President. However, his power does come with restrictions if the other checks and balances actually exercise theirs.
Far too often Congress has abdicated that power, as has been the case with Obama on so many issues. I expect more of the same with the Supreme Court vacancy as well. That the talk is just that, and will be abandoned if support is perceived to not be there.
I cannot deny the warts that are all to apparent with Trump. He has been married three times. Ronald Reagan was married twice. There are dynamics in marriages that cause relationships to go south, and Donald certainly made a mistake in hooking up with Marla Maples. I'm sure even he will admit that. I often remind myself of why humans so often make these mistakes in judgment when it comes to these matters.
As for acting in his own interest with regards to business, that is imperative if you are to be successful. However, not always are you fighting solely for your interest alone, for you may have investors in the project. Impasses are then taken to court to be resolved for both real and perceived claims of injury. I think all of us desire to be winners. Hopefully no one is born that desires to be a loser. Winning though is elusive to many of us. We sometimes even wonder how some of the winners became such, because we certainly don't see them as such.
My point is that when you put yourself out there you are opening up the possibilities for success, as well as, failure. You also open yourself to praise and criticism.. Those you benefitted will shower you with praise, and those who lost with you offer nothing but criticism. I fully understand this and accept it. So while it plays a part it doe not play the entire part is assessing someone.
There is no doubt that Trump is driven by power, fame, and success. With those money will come. This is typical with type A personalities. While some of these will turn off people they are the ones that drive the world, for better or worse. Those not possessing type A personality traits are the ones who create innovations that better the lives of people. They are the ones who create medical, technological, and other breakthroughs, but rarely are they leaders of peoples. In fact most probably shy away from such a role. This is the only kinds of diversity that should be celebrated, instead of the diversity currently being touted as what should be celebrated.
Type A personalities possess the biggest egos of the various personality traits that are recognized and classified. We all have egos to some degree, and they are important. They are fragile, even among the successful. Keeping them intact like freedom is an ongoing battle to retain, at all the various levels. The lower levels obviously require less effort to maintain. BTW, all three of the frontrunners have type A personalities. They all have egos that are larger than the majority.
While you may view my analysis as unnecessary, I think not because I have to expose that I have taken these warts into consideration. While I certainly do not condone everything Donald has done, I have given him credit as well when he has earned that credit. He has taken chances and been successful. He has done them legally. He has also failed, but failure is all part of the process, and his failures didn't prevent him from continuing to strive for success. Thus he is a fighter who is not easily destroyed when he experiences failure.
We need a fighter that won't give up the fight when the going gets tough, and tough it will get. That we can be assured of. So far he has taken on the establishment, the press, and even political correctness, and come out on top in each instance. I think even you as a Ted Cruz supporter has to be at least impressed with that, even if you are confused by it as well.
I hope he does view this as his greatest renovation project, and I will support him to be successful. It benefits me as well as every other American citizen. Is recognizing your limitations really a positive, or is it a negative. If you believe you cannot succeed than you are making that a reality. If you believe you are not limited you may find out you were correct. Success with any endeavor is susceptible to many variables that pop up along the way, and some are so treat they cannot be overcome. If one goes into an endeavor stating he has limitations he may be successful, but rarely is that the case.
I believe just the opposite, with regards to Trump bringing the best to assist him in his quest for success. I also believes he listens to them. The so-called "dreamers" are an example of his listening. Perhaps they were convincing because they showed him they were the kind of dreamers he can accept. Because they are dreaming for a better life. They believe in America and want to be productive citizens. They do not want to take from America. They do not want to change America. If that is why he sided with them I can understand his doing so and I even agree with him. These are the types of immigrants this country should be accepting in. That doesn't mean everyone who shares their circumstances are to be given blanket consideration as "dreamers". It even shows that he is not opposed to immigration, but rather illegal immigration. Hopefully he recognizes that a cooling down period does need to happen to allow for better assimilation.
Perhaps you can provide examples of what he has done that has in any way affected the country. I certainly can not think of anything that he has done have any affect whatsoever, either negatively or positively in my life. Has he done things that I wouldn't do and that make me look upon him negatively? Absolutely, and I only have to look in a mirror to say the same about the chap staring back at me. We all make mistakes, and some times we even repeat out mistakes.
Mo one is perfect, for we are after all humans. My support for Trump is because as I look at the shape this country is in and have determined at this point in time Trump is the best candidate for the times.
If he is successful I would hope that he recognizes Ted Cruz as someone who would make an Awesome Supreme Court Justice. Then Ted would be in a position to exact even larger accomplishments than a President can in the short timeframe he can exert influence. So Trump for short term influence, and Cruz for long term influence lasting perhaps even beyond his lifespan.
I say with confidence that we desire the same outcomes, we just differ on who is better suited under the circumstances that exist. Capability certainly needs to be examined, however, we disagree on those capabilities as they pertain to Donald. Both men, Ted & Donald, have capabilities to accomplish tasks, but not necessarily in all circumstances. I don't think the circumstances that exist play into Cruz's strong points.
Suitability is also worth evaluating, and by far Ted Cruz wins on this issue, though obviously I do not find Trump totally unsuitable, for if I did I probably would not support him.
I am compelled to state, you have no reason to even be asking for forgiveness, and in no way was I going to ignore anything you had to offer. This is what makes America great, the freedom to express ourselves and our opinions. I appreciated and even valued your opinions, and I in turn offered my opinions. The best thing is that neither f us engaged in ad hominem attacks. Instead we engaged each other as adults.
Let me end, finally LOL, with this: Trump has momentum, he crosses several demographics, his campaign has been successful thus far. I believe he will surprise a lot of people of the success he will have as President, just as he has surprised a lot of people thus far in his campaign. That does include me as well. If I didn't believe this I would not be supporting Donald Trump. No one has a crystal ball to see what the future holds, so I can't say with certainty he will live up to my beliefs, just as you have to admit you cannot say Ted Cruz will either. It is after all nothing more than our opinions and conclusions we have arrived at given what we do know
May the best man win, and may his Presidency successfully benefit this great country and her citizens. That's all I am after.
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