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It Begins Again: Now Trump Questions Rubio's Eligibility
MRCTV ^ | 22 Feb 16 | Jeff Dunetz

Posted on 02/22/2016 8:31:51 AM PST by elhombrelibre

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To: Defiant

“Were Rubio’s parents citizens when he was born?”

Marco Rubio Once Benefitted From Birthright Citizenship ...
https://www.nationaljournal.com/twentysixteen/.../marco...
National Journal
Aug 18, 2015 - Neither of Rubio’s parents was a citizen at the time of his birth in 1971 in Miami.


21 posted on 02/22/2016 8:53:16 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

“Natural born citizen is an exclusionary term, meaning if one can be anything else, one cannot be a natural born citizen.”

Not true. You can be a natural born US citizen and potentially possess citizenship in another country.


22 posted on 02/22/2016 8:53:16 AM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: elhombrelibre

The only thing fading more quickly than winter is Cruz.

Since you have nothing positive to post to support your candidate, you post things against others.

“If mine can’t win, I’ll stop his competition any way I can!”, even if you have to support Rubio...

How pathetic.

And I’ll bet those of you that switch to Rubio in here will understand the cyclical purges much more personally.


23 posted on 02/22/2016 8:53:42 AM PST by datura (Proud Infidel)
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To: Sacajaweau
No standing...

You would think that world-class lawyer Trump claims he has working on the suits would have told him by now. Yet he keeps threatening.

24 posted on 02/22/2016 8:54:04 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: elhombrelibre

Yep... it’s time for Marco to stop repeating Trump’s talking points.

Cruz/Rubio 2016

- or -

Trump/Clinton 2016

A time for choosing indeed.


25 posted on 02/22/2016 8:54:04 AM PST by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Well if the shoe fits and all that good stuff. LOL!


26 posted on 02/22/2016 8:56:48 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Let’s make the princes of Jordan eligible and Princess Grace of Monaco’s kids as well. And don’t forget the kids of the drug cartel lords. Oh yay. /s


27 posted on 02/22/2016 8:58:00 AM PST by Suz in AZ
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To: Kirkwood

Read some of the writings of the founders. You are wrong. They would not think British subjects are eligible.


28 posted on 02/22/2016 8:59:08 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: DoodleDawg

“It takes that long to tell the attorney he claims to have looking into it to go file?”

You can’t control the outcome, publicity wise, of a lawsuit that has only been filed. Rubio would seek to portray it to the voters as mere politics, dirty politics, etc.

It is much better just to raise the issue through various means.

It should certainly be resolved before the next elections.
Many of us were taught in school and colleges before this came up that a president must have been born on American soil from citizen parents. That has been the historical take throughout American history.

There was a controversy over that very thing when Arthur
ran.


29 posted on 02/22/2016 8:59:28 AM PST by odawg
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To: elhombrelibre
The best thing that could happen is that the issue is settled once and for all. Obama, Cruz, and Rubio all have different situations, so there's no guarantee they'd all be settled the same way. The established definition should be concise so any person knows for sure what their status is. Rather than wait for the crisis spell it out now. Maybe the ONLY thing McCain ever did right was to get it established that born on a military base meant natural born citizen before he ran.

Republicans were absolutely derelict in not bringing the issue through the courts for a definition before Obama ran a second time. I was shocked when he first ran that there was no procedure to confirm that a candidate for US President was qualified to run.

If it isn't settled, you could run into crazy situations in the future where someone could be President of two countries at the same time, or someone brought up in an ISIS camp could be President, etc.

Trump is correct...settle it!

30 posted on 02/22/2016 9:00:03 AM PST by grania
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To: odawg

“Many of us were taught in school and colleges before this came up that a president must have been born on American soil from citizen parents. That has been the historical take throughout American history.”

That’s what was drummed into my head at school.


31 posted on 02/22/2016 9:01:16 AM PST by Suz in AZ
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To: elhombrelibre

Well...he is an anchor baby.


32 posted on 02/22/2016 9:03:23 AM PST by pgkdan (The Silent Majority Stands With TRUMP!)
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To: xzins
Rubio is an anchor baby.

Ha! I just posted the same thing. At least one of Ted's parents was an American citizen.

33 posted on 02/22/2016 9:04:34 AM PST by pgkdan (The Silent Majority Stands With TRUMP!)
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To: elhombrelibre

Article II Section 1 Clause 5:
No Person except a natural born Citizen,
or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,
shall be eligible to the Office of President;
neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years,
and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

The clause “or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,” gives a strong clue to what was meant by “natural born Citizen”.

The founders were (almost) all born in the colonies that became the United States.
So if being “born on the land” determined natural born citizenship they would not have need the “at the time” clause.

The founders were (almost) all born to parents who were Subjects of the British Crown.
So if being born to foreigners, in the territory that became the United States, were enough for natural born citizenship they would not have need the “at the time” clause.

By this simple analysis of the Constitution using it own language and simple logic, one can conclude that a person born in the United States from foreign parents can not be a “natural born citizen”.
So Marco Rubio is clearly ineligible to be President of the United States under the original intent of the Constitution.

To handle the case of Ted Cruz, one has to look at what determined the nationality of parents at the time of the founding. All original evidence says that the wife took on the nationality of her husband.
All the evidence we have it that Ted Cruz’s father was a Cuban citizen at the time of Ted’s birth, and that both mother and father were legal residents of Canada.
So applying the original intent of the Constitution, then Ted Cruz is not a natural born citizen of the United States, and therefore not eligible to be President.

Of course, if one wants to abandon “Conservative Principles” in this one instance, and say that the original intent is obsolete, then one could say they are both eligible.
But, to by honest, you would have to admit you were a “Liberal” and not a “Conservative”


34 posted on 02/22/2016 9:05:02 AM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: pgkdan

We’re Rubio’s parents naturalized citizens at the time of his birth?


35 posted on 02/22/2016 9:06:03 AM PST by nascarnation (RIP Scalia. Godspeed)
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To: Suz in AZ
Let’s make the princes of Jordan eligible and Princess Grace of Monaco’s kids as well.

They would have the same eligibility as Cruz, wouldn't they?

36 posted on 02/22/2016 9:07:24 AM PST by pgkdan (The Silent Majority Stands With TRUMP!)
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To: nascarnation
Were Rubio's parents naturalized citizens at the time of his birth?

Nope.

37 posted on 02/22/2016 9:08:46 AM PST by pgkdan (The Silent Majority Stands With TRUMP!)
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To: elhombrelibre
ad hominem venom

It's a legitimate legal question which can't be clearly answered from existing law.

The British law to which proponents of citizenship look to is statutory, not common law, and there was no like statute in the US when the Constitution was adopted. Based on the common law that pre-dated the statute, it's an open question. Those who dismiss the matter as settled (in either direction) are being intellectually dishonest.

38 posted on 02/22/2016 9:10:28 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Suz in AZ; odawg

Born here of citizen parents
Natural born citizen

One is naturally a US citizen when there is no other possibility.
If one can be anything else, one cannot be a natural born citizen.

It has a clear meaning, but both parties want to run ineligible candidates, so they are confusing people as to what that meaning is.

Unfortunately for them, there are lots of us still alive who know what it means.


39 posted on 02/22/2016 9:11:35 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: nascarnation

No


40 posted on 02/22/2016 9:12:48 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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