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To: light-bulb

“My point is this. The government does NOT have a right to compel a citizen to perform an action if it’s involuntary.”

Few criminals has ever turned over anything voluntarily. They are found as result of investigation through use of subpoenas or warrants. If they refused to comply, the next step was taken. The court gave Apple 5 days to comply. We don’t know what that next step is.

I am baffled by your statement. People are compelled to turn over evidence and/or property all the time, third party or not. Someone who is helping to conceal ANYTHING in an investigation is naturally covered by the law.

“Indentured servitude (which is laughabee for a 50 billion dollar a year corporation) does not apply. The contention they do not have a key but can build one (which they say can be done) is not only understood, it is covered in the court’s filings, which provide for compensation, if required. However, Apple has already admitted it exists so it isn’t an issue.

You haven’t fully read and understood the case. You certainly haven’t read this thread.


265 posted on 02/21/2016 5:57:34 PM PST by jessduntno (Steady, Reliable, and (for now) Republican - Donald Trump, (D, R, I, D, R, I, R - NY) /s)
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To: jessduntno

Apple is not a criminal in this case and can not be compelled to create something which they do not have.

Apple does not have what they want... The government is trying to compel them to create it... That would be servitude, and involuntary at that.

Apple made the phone they do not own the phone. That would be the county, and they screwed up the forensic analysis. It’s their fault but also ties in the FBI who compelled them to change the password.

So piss poor execution on the Feds part does not mean an emergency on Apples.

My understanding is there is not a master key in Apple’s vault, yes they have a means to digitally sign a package so it appears to be a valid update, however there is no magic key to unlock it. Thus the Feds want t brute force it so use a technicality to attack the phone with Apples help.

You can laugh all you want about a company with money somehow being exempt but it’s not.

Again I don’t disagree with the people who have evidence to turn it over, but something they don’t have which would have to be created?


266 posted on 02/21/2016 6:15:30 PM PST by light-bulb (Plures efficimur quotiens metimur a vobis; semen est sanguis Christianorum)
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