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To: cuban leaf
A good way to look at it is this: if you are a citizen and were never naturalized, you are, by definition, natural born.

That is not a good way. It is an oversimplification that is vulnerable to a nuanced definition of naturalization. That definition does not allow for the rebutal of the "if a person is a citizen at birth they are not naturalized" argument.

The above simplification does not reflect the realization that the person is a citizen at birth because of naturalization laws that declare him/her so. That is why there is a special term for the group of citizens with a natural allegiance at birth, those born in the US to citizen parents. They are American citizens wholly and can be claimed by no other nation.

210 posted on 02/19/2016 8:14:39 AM PST by JayGalt (Come not between the nazgul and his prey.)
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To: JayGalt

so, if a couple goes to France on a vacation and the wife bears a child there, the child’s US citizenship.status.be ones clouded? I don’t think so.

I’m not over-simplifying. I’m simplifying. The reason is to get to the core issue. The core issue is that you are either a citizen by virtue of the conditions of your birth, you are a citizen due to a naturalization process, or you are not a citizen.

The question is, which of these three is Cruz?


235 posted on 02/19/2016 9:00:20 AM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: JayGalt

those born in the US of citizen parents...

and that is it. No operation of law is needed to define their citizenship.


237 posted on 02/19/2016 9:02:37 AM PST by djf ("It's not about being nice, it's about being competent!" - Donald Trump)
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