Posted on 02/18/2016 9:54:35 PM PST by kik5150
From tonight's town hall:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIozz7lgUz0
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Our objective [should be] to make reforms for the moment and, longer term, to find an equivalent of the single-payer plan that is affordable, well-administered, and provides freedom of choice. Possible? The good news is, yes.
There is already a system in place-the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program-that can act as a guide for all healthcare reform. It operates through a centralized agency that offers considerable range of choice. While this is a government program, it is also very much market-based. It allows 620 private insurance companies to compete for this market. Once a year participants can choose from plans which vary in benefits and costs. Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.206-208 & 218 , Jul 2, 2000
I saw the clip and read the transcript.
The question was expressly about the mandate that everyone have access to coverage via insurers being required to offer plans to those with pre-existing conditions.
Having heard the Town Hall and actually watch Trump speak as Anderson spoke...I still believe that Trump was referring to a mandate as to regards of pre-exisiting conditions. Perhaps you have a different interpretation. At the time of the broadcast, that was my take away. The Person that asked the question was also satisfied with the answer...so I assume that the audience member asking was satisfied that Trump was also referring to pre-exisiting conditions.
All I can say these days, with all the candidates everyone is taking the role of examining the entrails of chickens to divine the true meaning as to what was said by whom and when.
I will admit that Trump does not speak in a very direct manner.
If your takeaway of the conversation is different than mine, so be it.
Have a good night.
abigkahuna
Ok, lets fiat for the moment that you interpretation is correct the issue is still outstanding.
If you mandate insurers to cover pre-existing conditions and not mandate that every one has coverage then the logical solution to an insurance company to raise all rates to cover per-existing conditions.
The pool of insured will shrink as cost goes up. Since pre-existing must be covered there is no need to buy till after you are sick / harmed.
How does that lower cost as djt claimes his plan will do ?
And how can a mandate on pre-existing conditions work? Now everyone can stay off health insurance, then wait until they get sick and then buy it?
There’s a reason Romneycare and Obamacare fine you for not having insurance. They had to in order to force the insurers to cover pre-existing conditions. They have to give people an incentive to get insurance, otherwise people simply won’t sign up until they’re ill.
Trump’s liberal dream of universal health coverage is an unworkable pipe dream without having an either partial government takeover of health care like Obamneycare, or complete socialized medicine. The government HAS NO BUSINESS making universal health coverage its goal. That is either socialism or it’s a legal mandate that will put insurers out of business in about 24 hours after passing.
That’s why Trump supports the individual mandate for people to buy insurance. And that’s also why so many of us have been demanding details. We knew that you couldn’t have the stuff he was promising without an individual mandate.
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I think we need more details, but, but he proposed 15 years ago was the ability for people to buy into the Federal system. In a group policy, pre-existing conditions are not a problem.
Here are the plans...how do they look?
https://www.opm.gov/healthcare-insurance/healthcare/plan-information/premiums/#url=Premiums
Our objective [should be] to make reforms for the moment and, longer term, to find an equivalent of the single-payer plan that is affordable, well-administered, and provides freedom of choice. Possible? The good news is, yes. There is already a system in place-the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program-that can act as a guide for all healthcare reform. It operates through a centralized agency that offers considerable range of choice. While this is a government program, it is also very much market-based. It allows 620 private insurance companies to compete for this market. Once a year participants can choose from plans which vary in benefits and costs.
Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.206-208 & 218 , Jul 2, 2000
Thank you your statement was most elegant, and well thought out. I disagree if in nothing else that djt, answer was a ramble but I have heard nor read anything from him on the subject with any more clarity.
To be most honest few things of complexity or import that he has spoken on have be very clear.
Mostly boosterism and self congratulations is what I have read and heard for the man.
Not only does it not lower cost, it creates an absolute death spiral to the insurance companies.
Socialism DOESN’T WORK. Our goal should be to make sure NO ONE gets free health coverage and that everybody is taught they won’t get it unless they pay for it themselves. When the government is out of the health care business and the free market reigns, the price of coverage will drop and the quality will skyrocket.
OK, I just watched the entire town hall. Donald didn’t say anything inappropriate about healthcare. He never said tonight or has he ever said any other time that I am aware of that anyone should be required to purchase health insurance or pay a penalty. It is interesting to see how something completely innocuous can be twisted to have a meaning that was never intended.
I agree with that, which is why some states have gone to high-risk pools.
I don’t actually have a problem with individuals who risked it and got caught having to essentially bankrupt themselves before they are eligible for Medicaid.
But most of the GOP presidential candidates are for that admittedly problematic halfway solution of keeping the mandate for pre-existing conditions being covered, while dropping the mandate that people purchase insurance.
Sounds exactly like Obamacare.
Why again do we need the government involved to create a “marketplace?” Why does the government have to be involved at all? Why can’t I just go to the 620 insurance web sites and buy it myself?
No, Trump’s claim to be “a little bit different” is actually the straw man that he regularly uses against people’s idea that Republicans want to leave people dying in the street. He says he doesn’t want that via two methods—1) the mandate that insurers cover those with pre-existing conditions, and 2) our continuing to have Medicaid for the poor who can’t afford coverage of their own.
“Most” of the GOP presidential candidates are crappy RINO wimpy liberal loser morons like they usually are. No one cares what they’re for.
Cruz is the one conservative in the race. He is for repealing Obamacare and implementing some simple deregulation to let the free market reign. I have never heard Cruz say he’s for any “mandates.”
Yaelle was describing, in another thread, the Swiss health system. I thought her comments there were enlightening and appreciated her providing this information.
It sounds like it would be a wonderful solution for our country.
The government does not have to be involved but our society is moving away from employer sponsored healthcare which was really introduced in early 1970’s. Before that you had “hospitalization” which was really just catastrophic care.
The Federal option is for to give individuals access to groups. Buying into the Federal program, if desired but not required, was a very simple solution that was talked about in 2008.
The biggest problem in the State of Utah, for instance is that a small business could not get access to group rates.
There is actually a lot of anti-competitive tendencies in the health insurance market. I would love to buy my own insurance across state lines, which is the main thing being promoted by Trump.
I present this information from his book written 15 years ago, however, have not heard him opine on this during the campaign. I was posting a position held prior to 2015.
So a plan subsidized by the tax payer for employees that have a “company” running in the read by Trillions of dollars is the plan he wants to copy.
He cribbed that of from Heritage Foundation.
which mind you included
“Second, Congress needs to require working-age Americans not covered by Medi care or Medicaid to purchase at least a basic health plan, and to provide assistance to families who otherwise would be unable to afford “ That is a Mandate.
Also that was 1992(Heritage) or 2000(djt) the demographics of worker and retired are a bit different now as are the number of companies in the market place.
I watched the whole thing, he went into great detail, what you want to believe he meant is not what he was talking about. He has made this clear on other occasions.
The audience seemed to get it; so I certainly couldn’t care less how a few Cruz supporters here want to twist the meaning. We simply don’t matter in the big scheme of things.
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