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Ted Cruz’s Integrity Trumps "Dirty Tricks"
Town Hall ^ | Feb 11, 2016 | Lee Culpepper

Posted on 02/11/2016 5:34:37 PM PST by SoConPubbie

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To: paltz

In 87 you asserted: People who become naturalized have to go through a specific process at some point.

Are you now changing your tune?


101 posted on 02/11/2016 10:36:54 PM PST by Ray76
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To: Ray76

You say he’s a naturalized citizen. I say he has to go thru some “process” to go thru one. You denied that yet quote the wong case that lists processes needed to be naturalized. So, I ask u again. When did Cruz become a naturalized citizen if he wasn’t one before? What did he do to become one?


102 posted on 02/11/2016 10:41:24 PM PST by paltz
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To: paltz

A person born out of the jurisdiction of the United States can only become a citizen by being naturalized by authority of congress, as in the enactments conferring citizenship upon foreign-born children of citizens.

No mention of any process.

Congressional grants of citizenship are naturalization, whether a process is required or not.


103 posted on 02/11/2016 10:45:43 PM PST by Ray76
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To: paltz

Read Rogers v Bellei.


104 posted on 02/11/2016 10:46:18 PM PST by Ray76
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To: Ray76

His mother was born in Delaware.


105 posted on 02/11/2016 10:48:38 PM PST by paltz
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To: paltz

So?


106 posted on 02/11/2016 10:52:05 PM PST by Ray76
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To: Ray76

You’re describing a processes again. hate to break that to you. You can keep citing case after case. But the fact remains, one needs to apply for naturalization. you keep glossing over that.


107 posted on 02/11/2016 10:52:28 PM PST by paltz
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To: paltz

You are mistaken. You really should read Rogers v. Bellei, neither side contested that he was a naturalized citizen and the circumstances are the same as for Cruz.

Congress’s authority to naturalize does not require that a process take place, it is the grant of citizenship that is the naturalization.


108 posted on 02/11/2016 10:59:02 PM PST by Ray76
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To: paltz
The only process that makes one a natural born US citizen is TWO US citizen parents give birth to a child on US soil. No act of Congress or judgment by a black robed judge will ever make Cruz a ‘natural born’ US citizen... And Cruz knows it. He is just trying to out obama.... First, Hispanic, Cuban, ‘natural born’ Canadian US, president. Quite a coup on those ‘conservatives’... GOT It!!!!!
109 posted on 02/11/2016 11:01:16 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Ray76
Cruz was a U.S. citizen at birth not because of the reason you are citing. The nationality act of 1940 outlined which children became nationals and citizens in the U.S. at birth.

In addition to those who were born in the U.S. or those who were born outside the U.S. to parents who were both citizens, or found in the U.S. with no proof of birth else where, citizenship goes to babies with one American parent who has already spent a certain number of year here.

The single parent requirement has been amended a few times, but under the law, it's been in effect between 1952 and 1986 (Cruz was born in 1970) someone must have a citizen parent who has resided in the U.S. for at least 10 years, including 5 after the age of 14, in order to be considered a natural born citizen.

Cruz's mom was born in Delaware and lived most of her life in the U.S.and gave birth to Ted in her 30's.

110 posted on 02/11/2016 11:24:06 PM PST by paltz
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To: The Iceman Cometh

And walked away from New Hampshire blaming the liberal voters in the state for his loss rather than his inability to sell his conservative vision.
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That’s total BS! Cruz did not blame liberal voters for anything in NH. He didn’t expect to do well in the basically secular State. It was amazing that he ended up in third.


111 posted on 02/12/2016 3:26:55 AM PST by octex
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Team Cruz was pushing the “Carson is out thing” an hour and a half after Carson had already repudiated.
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Carson’s campaign guy started it by telling CNN he was not going to NH or SC, but home to FL. ...Cruz’ team was watching CNN and CNN didn’t correct the impression they originally gave that Carson was quitting for a couple of hours. ............Stop repeating the lies.


112 posted on 02/12/2016 3:33:07 AM PST by octex
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To: octex
Carson’s campaign guy started it

Neither Carson nor even CNN actually stated that Carson was suspending his campaign. Nor did Carson nor CNN ever say anything about an imminent "big announcement." These were fabrications by the Ted Cruz campaign, specifically Cruz's manager who did the same exact thing in a previous campaign.

113 posted on 02/12/2016 3:34:44 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: paltz
We don't know if or when Ted went through the process of having the US adjudicate his claim to citizenship. His US citizenship existed only on paper, only in theory, until he proved the elements of the statute in effect at the time of his birth, and his continued citizenship (past the age of majority) depends on him completing the US presence requirements stated in the law.

In order to have US citizenship recognized by the US government, he (or his mother) had to submit to adjudication before a qualified agent of the US government. This agent could be either the state Department, or Immigration and Naturalization (USCIS now).

If he doesn't submit to adjudication, his birth certificate proves he was born an alien of the US, and that is what he remains until proved otherwise. When proved otherwise, he will be naturalized, changed from an alien into a citizen.

114 posted on 02/12/2016 3:51:41 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: paltz
-- "Naturalization is the process by which U.S. citizenship is granted to a foreign citizen or national after he or she fulfills the requirements established by Congress in the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA)." --

From 7 FAM 1441.1 (State Department Manual), the process is the following:

f. The Form FS-240 is not a birth certificate, such as is issued by a government- authorized bureau or office of vital statistics, because consular officers are not authorized to assume a foreign local or state vital statistics function. The Form FS-240 is a consular declaration of the fact of acquisition of U.S. citizenship at birth based upon:

(1) The certification of, or attestation to, the facts of birth by a legally authorized local official in the place where the birth occurred;

(2) The affidavit executed by the parent(s) or legal guardian(s) or other evidence regarding the physical presence of the U.S. citizen/national parent(s), or in the case of two citizen parents, residence, necessary to transmit U.S. citizenship/noncitizen nationality to the child;

(3) Evidence of the physical relationship between the U.S. citizen and the child;

(4) Evidence of the legal relationship between the U.S. citizen and the child, such as proof of the U.S. citizen/national parent(s)'s citizenship and marriage or for births out of wedlock, legitimation in accordance with Section 309 INA (8 U.S.C. 1409) or predecessor statute, and an affidavit of parentage and financial support if the child is born out of wedlock to a U.S. citizen father;

(5) Evidence of citizenship/nationality of the U.S. citizen/national parent(s); and

(6) Consular adjudication of the child's claim to U.S. citizenship. (See 7 FAM 1100.)

This process need not be done by the State Department. It can also be done by USCIS (Immigration and Naturalization), or by an Article III Court.
115 posted on 02/12/2016 3:57:13 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: shoedog

he would take the actions he felt were right in accordance with the Constitution. In essence , he made himself the mirror image of Obama.
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Uh...no. “In accordance with the Constitution” meant the Supreme Court would not have to be involved in his decisions. Obama has ignored the Constitution.


116 posted on 02/12/2016 3:59:47 AM PST by octex
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To: SoConPubbie

Yeah like lying about Carson sending out fake voter certificates in Iowa and New Hampshire and forgetting to report big donations that became “loans” when he got caught.


117 posted on 02/12/2016 5:34:52 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: paltz

The Nationality Act of 1940, Pub. L. 76-853; 54 Stat. 1137; was repealed by the McCarron-Walter Act of 1952, Pub. L. 82-414 § 403(a)(42); 66 Stat. 280.

Cruz acquired citizenship via the McCarron-Walter Act of 1952, Pub.L. 82-414 § 301(a)(7),(b); 66 Stat. 236


118 posted on 02/12/2016 5:45:32 AM PST by Ray76
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To: paltz
The Nationality Act of 1940, Pub. L. 76-853; 54 Stat. 1137; was repealed by the McCarron-Walter Act of 1952, Pub. L. 82-414 § 403(a)(42); 66 Stat. 280.

Cruz acquired citizenship via the McCarron-Walter Act of 1952, Pub.L. 82-414 § 301(a)(7),(b); 66 Stat. 236

119 posted on 02/12/2016 5:47:38 AM PST by Ray76
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To: pnut22
The hate on this board for Ted Cruz is disgusting.

It's also very revealing. I'm greatfull to God for this war and His outcome. The battle is His.

120 posted on 02/12/2016 6:06:57 AM PST by Theophilus (The GOPe are dealers. The Marxist Democrats are duelists.)
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