Posted on 02/11/2016 1:15:04 PM PST by Red Badger
Edited on 02/11/2016 1:17:54 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Trump is right.
Pay to play in our USA. No exceptions.
The Uni-Party and Media have been working in concert to crush the Republic. Tail gunner Joe was right. NAFTA was the first direct hit that undermined America as a manufacturing giant. Any pol that does not support a wall and strict immigration practice is declaring his willingness to sacrifice the lives of their constitutes: they do not care if you die. The nightmare that Joe McCarthy could foresee and tried to undermine now knocks on the bedroom door. The United States has been systematically compromised. Or in the words of Nikita Khrushchev, ‘We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism.’ The USA is actually, really, is at the point of seriously considering electing a Socialist as POTUS! We must think outside the box to stop this perversity. No, a regular run of the mill politician/lawyer will not do. To me, Trump is much like a powder keg that has been stored for years. You strategically place it on the supports of the bridge, blow the bridge and you can stop the enemy advance...so you light the fuse, and hope the powder is still dry.
Trump’s tax plan lowers corporate taxes to 15% which is an enormous incentive for businesses to stay in the USA.
http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-donald-trump-s-tax-plan
He will also deal with Congress to slap a tax on companies leaving the US for cheap labor. Congress will follow his lead because the American people will be behind him.
This is a bit ironic, as we complain on our Japanese computers with rare earth components from China assembled in Mexico serviced by on line techies in India.
Be careful what you wish for. Read Leonard Read’s “I Pencil.” He talks about how no single person knows how nor can make a pencil. Graphite from Maylasia, tin from china or Europe, chainsaws from Sweden, ships to haul everything from China or India. You start throwing up trade restrictions and suddenly you have unintended consequences and more impediments.
In a truly free society, should you not be able to purchase what you want from where you want? Should you not be able to run a business over seas and give the best price to your customer?
Where is the logical conclusion in trade restrictions. OUtside the inter commerce clauses of the constitution, you could restrict people to buy within your state or county; think of the jobs! Yet we all know it is better to grow wheat in Kansas or Washington than Florida. Likewise, other places have advantages and seek to exploit those advantages. Rockefeller created unfair advantages, most of which were temporary until competitors adopted them, to give us cheaper fuel, more disposable income, greater free time and quality of life.
Sure, Mexico has lower labor rates but does anyone here employ the higher labor of one contractor over another? I read all the time on this site of people complaining about the cost of professional services, mechanics, machine shop, pump and drill, electricians, horseshoers, etc. seeking lower cost elsewhere. We do, on small scale, precisely what these companies in question do on a large scale; we seek the lower cost, nearly every time, and enjoy the savings.
NAFTA was Reagan’s idea.
BJ Clinton finalized negotiations and signed it. Hildabeast is running against TPA/TPP, BTW. Anybody GOPer who is Pro- TPA/TPP is DOA in the old rust belt.
It is happening now.
From the Heritage Foundation:
“The North American Free Trade Agreement: Ronald Reagan’s Vision Realized”
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1993/11/em371-the-north-american-free-trade-agreement
Same way they deal with the Crips and the IRS today. :)
I just went to Crane. I had a huge order.
“””In other words, Ted Cruz says he would be the kind of President who would wait for Congress to do stuff and then take credit for it. And even then, this is going to help the 1400 people out of a job in Indy....how??””””
What, exactly, is Trump going to do?
“Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1990 among the three nations, U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed the agreement in their respective capitals on December 17, 1992. The signed agreement then needed to be ratified by each nation’s legislative or parliamentary branch.”—Wikipedia
“You start throwing up trade restrictions and suddenly you have unintended consequences and more impediments.”
Likewise, you remove trade restrictions and suddenly you have unintended consequences. These United States have rules on commerce, and when over a relatively short span the market is flooded with a source of cheap labor by the millions, and there’s some who get away with utilizing that cheap labor and others who are punished for it, there’s unintended consequences. Similarly, when some companies who can afford to set up shop in a country that doesn’t play by the same rules, that is, ZERO regulations regarding minimum wage, enviornmental standards, employee benefits, etc. they have a distinct advantage over those smaller companies who are shackled to the rules and regulations established in the US.
“In a truly free society, should you not be able to purchase what you want from where you want?”
Of course! But now your talking purchasing without the flip side, manufacturing. So let’s add to your statement that in a truly free society, should you not be able to manufacture what you want and where you want? Which brings us back to some societies are more free than others, thus giving distinct advantages to some over others. Until there is a level playing field, and all nations are “truly free societies”, it would seem that something needs to be in place to maintain an even playing field
“Where is the logical conclusion in trade restrictions. OUtside the inter commerce clauses of the constitution, you could restrict people to buy within your state or county; think of the jobs! Yet we all know it is better to grow wheat in Kansas or Washington than Florida. Likewise, other places have advantages and seek to exploit those advantages.”
Here you are talking about within the United States, apples and oranges comparison. The State’s may have differences in regulations and such, and businesses choose to move from less free states such as from both coasts, and move to freer places such as Texas. Even small businesses can do such fairly easily, wheras to make a move to another country to exploit a cheap (slave) workforce and avoid thousands of regulations by just paying off the right officials, takes far more in both financial assets and employee know-how assets, giving large corporations an incredible advantage.
There isn’t a level playing field globally. Yeah, the Uniparty and their globalist backers are trying to create a level playing field globally, but at the expense of the people of the United States. They are willfully LOWERING our standard of living to enrich themselves, justifying it to themselves by creating a new global order, which will bring free trade across the world. The only minor little problem is, that there’s no room for our constitution, or even these United States in such a plan. In their minds, our northern and southern borders no longer exist. They don’t care that the people of the United States are no longer being represented, and that their plans are destroying our country. They are doing such willfully, in the name of global free trade. We are nothing to them.
Exactly so. It’s called Capitalism..............
First, thank you for being polite, a rare quality on the WEB.
Yes we have rules on commerce and they have always gotten us in trouble. The Civil War was over this. The South was not free to trade their goods in a way they thought appropriate. The North did not want their largest tax revenue source to leave. The love of money is the root of all evil and certainly was in this case for both sides.
Yes, people seek to play by different rules but this does not change when you regulate. Instead, they seek favors from those who make the rules (Can you spell Clinton or really any other politician for that matter?).
To succeed in business, you are essentially looking for an unfair advantage; buying in bulk, finding cheaper materials, finding lower labor, the list is endless, and then exploiting that advantage for as long as you can. This exploitation, in a free society, runs until someone else does it better or simply imitates you. You can maintain an advantage through legislation in a less free society; licensing, trade restrictions, etc. When you restrict the activity of large companies they will seek to restrict the activity of competitors. Either way, the small guy has to compete against the big guy’s foreign advantage or the big guy’s lobbying advantage; you are simply choosing a way to die.
If a country has things set up where we may take advantage, why not, as long as it isn’t illegal or immoral? Do you not buy fuel in the next town or down the road when it is cheaper? Is there nothing you would not buy out of state if it was significantly cheaper? Do you not buy at the duty free shop? Do you not shop for the best rates? If the contractor two towns away will do the job for less than the one who lives next door do you not employ him, all else being equal? Do you not buy from Safeway instead of the now non-existent mom and pop store? All of these little actions effect who survives and who dies.
On an international scale, there can only really be a level playing field through world governance, something no one here really favors. Governments seek advantage for themselves just like any other entity. What you suggest edges dangerously close to controlling the means of production, the precise definition of socialism. Not to be insulting but your last paragraph sounds almost like a “power to the workers!” slogan and we see how well that works in countries like France or Detroit.
Sorry my response is not as clear linearly nor as detailed as yours. I have a busy day but I appreciated your thoughts they were clear and well reasoned.
“Not to be insulting but your last paragraph sounds almost like a “power to the workers!—
It is insulting.
I apologize.
To clarify, your post sounded like, if I may paraphrase; the job belongs to the worker, companies enrich themselves at the worker’s expense, and that you supported trade restrictions. That sounds like a sort of protectionism for the worker.
Am I misunderstanding you? Regardless, if you could label your position on this, how would you do so?
I certainly am not a fan of trade restrictions, specifically tariffs, but *something* needs to be done to stop the hemorrhaging of business and jobs to outside of the country. If they want to do that, fine. But there must be a cost associated with that choice. As it stands, if a company wants to do business here, there are rules for doing such. I wish that the incentive of reducing corporate taxes and many regulations would be enough to draw business back to the U.S., but I don’t think that’s enough right now. Our nation is (supposed to be) ruled by the Constitution and legislative process, NOT pure, unadulterated, capitalism. Partaking in capitalism is a benefit (or used to be) of living here, not the other way around. I don’t claim to have all the answers, that’s for people who have more wisdom and knowledge than I, but what I do know, is if we continue on this path we’re on, there’s only two ways it’s gonna end; either we fall into some kind of quasi socialistic *benevolent* dictatorship, or the nation falls apart and is regrouped into new regions, under the control of some global power. The far extreme of (crony) capitalism is just as much of a threat as socialism, and right now both of those force’s are pulling so hard at the fundamental make up of everything this nation is based upon, we are right at the breaking point.
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