Posted on 02/07/2016 2:05:20 PM PST by Sun
..While sparring on the issue, some are even misquoting the stance of President Ronald Reagan. Are they using the “exceptions†to appear less pro-life? (snip)
“I am pro-life, but I believe that rape, incest and life of the mother, as Ronald Reagan did, should be exceptions to that rule,†Christie added.
Similarly, Donald Trump commented last August on CNN’s New Day on Rubio’s pro-life position:
I disagree with that. (snip)
I absolutely am for the exceptions, and so was Ronald Reagan for the exceptions, by the way. There’s nothing wrong with that. You have to do it, in my opinion.
In his State of the Union address in January of 1988, however, President Ronald Reagan said the following:
(snip) Let us unite as a nation and protect the unborn with legislation that would stop all Federal funding for abortion and with a human life amendment making, of course, an exception where the unborn child threatens the life of the mother. (snip)But with that one exception, let us look to those others in our land who cry out for children to adopt. (snip)
Surgeon General C. Everett Koop noted the extreme rarity of the situation in which the life of the mother is endangered by pregnancy:
Protection of the life of the mother as an excuse for an abortion is a smoke screen. In my 36 years in pediatric surgery I have never known of one instance where the child had to be aborted to save the mother’s life. . . . If, toward the end of the pregnancy complications arise that threaten the mother’s health, he will take the child by inducing labor or performing a Caesarean section. His intention is still to save the life of both the mother and the baby.
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
[Reagan only had the life of the mother exception]
Medical science has come a long way since REAGAN was President.
I am not a Rubio supporter, but that is the one thing I like about Rubio as opposed to Trump. He doesn’t support the “exceptions”, realizing that an unborn child is a person regardless of the circumstances of conception.
The only right that is truly legitimate is the right of the baby to live. "Right" meaning that which comes from God.
The mother does not have a "right" to terminate the life of her unborn child, because their is no such thing. What we have is a Supreme Court that put it's hands up and allowed women to decide to kill their babies.
Rubio showed that he has no foundational understanding of the word "right."
Therefore, he should not be considered for the presidency nor for VP.
Trump is a total fraud on abortion. Trump is Flippy the flip-flopper on everyone and everything.
Look up Trump vs. Trump debate by Colbert.
I don’t want to start an argument but I am curious what your stance on someone raping a minor who gets pregnant? As far as the minor having a baby. Obviously the person doing the raping should be hung in the middle of the town.
But the person who was raped? What is your opinion on that?
“Medical science has come a long way since REAGAN was President.”
True, but Dr. Koop’s statement was made earlier than Reagan’s address.
However, I don’t blame Reagan for not knowing. Who can know everything?
I would like to see people stop quoting Reagan when they obviously never heard of Reagan’s stance that he did NOT have the THREE exceptions that Christie and Trump have.
Jeb, also has those three exceptions, but at least he did not inaccurately quote Reagan (as far as I know).
I don’t know if any other of the candidates have the exceptions besides Christie, Trump and Jeb.
Business Mogul, Governor, I served Ronnie Reagan. I knew Ronnie Reagan. Ronnie Reagan was a friend of mine. Business Mogul, Governor you’re no Ronnie Reagan. I herewith take poetic license.
“I am not a Rubio supporter, but that is the one thing I like about Rubio as opposed to Trump. He doesn’t support the “exceptionsâ€, realizing that an unborn child is a person regardless of the circumstances of conception.”
Yes, I liked that as well about Rubio, and I’m not supporting him either. But I do like him more than Trump.
This is not possible. Trump is never wrong. He’s like Chuck Norris, that way.
Here’s the full title of the article which I needed to edit so it would fit:
“GOP Candidates and the ‘Abortion Exceptions:’ Donald Trump, Chris Christie Get Ronald Reagan’s Stance Wrong”
What difference at this point does it make?
And there is a tendency for pregnant rapees to cling to the babies. They feel terribly wronged but do not want to compound the wrong by taking revenge by an innocent third party.
“Rubio did that “right of the baby” vs “right of the mother” thing which is potentially dangerous ground. ..”
Maybe he wasn’t clear enough for you, or maybe he was clumsy, but that certainly is not enough to not consider Rubio for president.
As I mentioned before, I am NOT a supporter of Rubio, but that would not disqualify him, imo.
“Trump is a total fraud on abortion. Trump is Flippy the flip-flopper on everyone and everything. ..”
Agreed. Trump has flipped from saying he would NOT ban partial-birth-infanticide to being prolife.
While I do know people change their minds, I am skeptical of when a candidate changes on positions, like Trump and Romney did, JUST BEFORE running for POTUS.
To even mention the right of the baby in the same context as the supposed right of a mother to take the life of her unborn child is just asking for manipulation by the pro-aborts.
He does not think things through clearly.
And he is also ripe for manipulation by the GOP establishment who have no use for the life issue.
Marco Rubio is a lightweight who needs propping up.
I don’t want to start an argument but I am curious what your stance on someone raping a minor who gets pregnant? As far as the minor having a baby. Obviously the person doing the raping should be hung in the middle of the town.
But the person who was raped? What is your opinion on that?
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2 things.
Murdering an innocent child isn’t the solution to a crime that doesn’t punish the perp.
http://afterabortion.org/2012/abortion-doesnt-help-rape-victims-say-women-whove-been-there/
What the Research Says
The survey of women who contributed to the book found that:
Nearly 80 percent of the women who aborted the pregnancy reported that abortion had been the wrong solution.
Most women who had abortions said that abortion only increased the trauma they were experiencing.
In many cases, the victim faced strong pressure or demands to abort. 43 percent of rape victims who aborted said they felt pressured or were strongly directed by family members or health workers to abort.
In almost every case where an incest victim had an abortion, it was the girl’s parents or the perpetrator who made the decision and arrangements for the abortion, not the girl herself. In several cases, the abortion was carried out against her expressed wishes, and in a few cases, without her being aware that she was pregnant or that an abortion was taking place.
None of the women who gave birth to a child conceived in sexual assault expressed regret or wished they had aborted instead.
WHy would anybody believe the lies perpetrated by the murderers of the abortion business.
“Jeb, also has those three exceptions, but at least he did not inaccurately quote Reagan (as far as I know).”
No, but he did claim his pro-death position was the “political sweet spot”. Sickening!
I appreciate your honest and candid answer.
I truly don’t know how I would handle that situation if it were my wife or daughter. It would be a very difficult decision in either case.
I may or may not agree with you but I do respect your opinion on this.
As Governor of California, Reagan signed into law the "Therapeutic Abortion Act," in an effort to reduce the number of "back room abortions" performed in California. As a result, approximately one million abortions would be performed; Reagan blamed this on doctors, arguing that they had deliberately misinterpreted the law.
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