Trump Gets Booed For Taking On GOP Donor Class

Youtube ^ | 02/06/15

[Enlightened1]

“You know who has the tickets to the
television audience?” Trump said. “Donors,
special interests, the people that are putting
up the money. That's who it is. The RNC told
us. We have all donors in the audience. And
the reason they're not loving me—the reason
they're not—excuse me. The reason they're
not loving me is, I don't want their money.”
The audience didn’t take kindly to Trump’s
dismissal, booing him repeatedly during an
exchange with former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush

[anton]

Most all of the million or so eminent domain takings every year end up fair to the owner. Every now and then some local pols try to game the system by taking 1/2 of someone’s house, or just the front yard, or putting a overpass above them, offering less than FMV, or whatnot. But, without eminent domain, no shopping center or pipeline could ever be built.

Opposition to eminent domain is an appealing theoretical cause on a micro level. Like being opposed to license plates or zoning ordinances. Advanced by nuts and the few unfortunate folks that had a bad result.

[MD Expat in PA]

But, without eminent domain, no shopping center or pipeline could ever be built.

The Keystone Pipeline will not be taking land or homes from the owners. TransCanada seeks a 50-foot-wide strip of land on which to build the pipeline. Landowners would continue to own the property; the pipeline would be constructed and operated below ground. It is an eminent domain request (which I understand Keystone has dropped) but for an easement, not a full outright confiscation of private property.

http://siouxcityjournal.com/news/state-and-regional/nebraska/keystone-pipeline-has-few-foes-in-northeast-nebraska/article_cb263869-d1c7-5cbe-8fc3-b5aef1896f25.html

The pipeline will transport crude oil from not only the oil fields in Alberta Canada, but also from the oil fields in Montana, Nebraska and Oklahoma to refineries in Illinois and Texas. Drill Baby Drill! But drilling necessitates transporting that crude oil from the oil fields to the refineries.

Easements, even when they have to be done through eminent domain are sometimes a necessary evil. Otherwise (and I agree with you) we would not have oil or natural gas pipelines or high power transmission lines, highways, and while the concerns building and operating them may be private enterprises, one can make the case of it being for an overall overriding public good.

That is completely different IMO from evoking eminent domain to force property owners to sell, to have all of the property taken even at a FMV, their homes and or businesses torn down in order for a developer to build a shopping center or a limo stand or a sports stadium.

There is no reason for eminent domain to ever be used for a shopping center.

[MagnoliaB]

I think that was all his supporters in one room.

[anton]

An easement is actually worse than a complete taking. With a complete taking, the owner gets a bunch of money and can move elsewhere. But, with an easement, the landowner retains the obligation of an owner but is restricted from doing anything much within the easement and right of way area. For the Keystone this could easily be 250’ in both directions along the entire easement. Probably more. These easements will prevent development (use by the owner) of millions of acres of land FOREVER.

Still I support it and the eminent domain taking.

[MagnoliaB]

Me too. Totally unfazed.

[Cboldt]

There are a few egregious examples. Poletown and Kelo come to mind. People rightfully bristle at those. I think it was Bush, might have been Kasich or Christie, pointed out that the abuse is perpetrated by states, and can be cured by states.

[Steven Tyler]

I think Trump won the opening, the end, and the middle.

Opening-Carson came in from Iowa, maybe or maybe not “cheated” out of votes by Cruz and Rubio. Somehow, Carson missed his intro. Trump stood by Carson, flipping the miscue from Carson’s fault to ABC’s fault. ALL the other candidates walked by, never thinking to stop and help Carson. When “no one” was looking, Trump was helpful, caring, etc. even if his actions cost him votes.

Closing-Cruz highlighted his strong Iowa finish while campaigning against the corn subsidies. Trump reminded everyone Cruz won by “stealing” Ben’s votes.

Middle-Urban Blacks blame some mysterious powerful person “The Man” for their crappy life outcome. Many Tea Party types are mad at the GOPe. Trump created an image called “the rich and powerful in the audience” and went on to chastise them in defense of the little guys and victims. Refer to the opening, where Trump stood by Carson when all others quickly walked by to leave Carson on his own!

[jimjohn]

Sorry, but Mr.T was spot on in his answer. The courts have ruled the same way. Eminent domain is just that. And zoning boards are known to deem anything as...”public use” or “for the public good” - even if it’s a private enterprise.

[odawg]

Trump was never asked about immigration. Wonder why?

[Disestablishmentarian]

I noticed that as well. Was looking forward to watching him knock it over the fence when, once again, the rest of the field equivocated.

[OhioBuckeye]

No, you need to read my tagline.

I’ll vote for Hillary.

[Disestablishmentarian]

Don’t let the door hit you in the ass.

[OhioBuckeye]

Did I say I was leaving?

[odawg]

“That cheap shot towards Cruz at the end of the debate...”

So far, including last night, there have been two debates with the lead question being if Trump has the temperament to handle the nuclear trigger, and a third time in another debate. The moderators always delight in asking that question because they they think it smears Trump.

Last night, the attack was freighted into the debate by a questioner alluding to the statement made by Cruz, for the second time, concerning Trump’s temperament and nuclear weapons.

That smear was used by the Left against Ronald Reagan.

Rush Limbaugh went on a three hour long maniacal meltdown once because he claimed Trump was attacking Cruz from the Left. When Cruz hits Trump from the Left, that is, uses the Left’s tactics against Trump, Limbaugh is silent.

“...that Trump is bully, coward and totally unfit for CIC.”

Only in your demented imagination does Trump’s very accurate shot at Cruz loom larger than Cruz’s backstabbing. Payback is hell.

[AustinBill]

From his casual dismissal of Jeb's ankle-biter yelps on eminent domain so his pulling back the curtain on the rigged audience Trump was cool under fire. By contrast, Rubio withered under Christie's attacks.

And Trump is completely correct on the need and value of eminent domain, and how to deal with it if you win that lottery. If someone offers me 2-4x market value for my house I'm happy to cry all the way to the bank.

[OhioBuckeye]

I don’t listen to Rush.

Karma is a b!tch....and it’s coming for Trump.

[Shortstop7]

Nailed it.

[MinuteGal]

Thanks very much for the input on eminent domain. False information posted on this forum will not go unnoticed or unanswered.

Leni

[phothus]

OK, so there is some murkiness around the ownership structure of the Atlantic City properties as he restructured multiple times and lost equity due to the properties failing. However, even as of February 2013, he owned 9.8% of the Trump Plaza, and prior to that the ownership level was much higher:

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-atlantic-citys-implosion-20140714-column.html

As for whether or not he was involved or standing back in this case, it is clear from the contemporary interviews and quotes that he was very involved.

There is the Stossel interview, quoted here:

http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2015/06/17/donald-trump-corporatist-bully-re-post/

One key exchange:

“Donald Trump: Do you want to live in a city where you can’t build roads or highways or have access to hospitals? Condemnation is a necessary evil.

John Stossel: But we’re not talking about a hospital. This is a building a rich guy finds ugly.

Donald Trump: You’re talking about at the tip of this city, lies a little group of terrible, terrible tenements – just terrible stuff, tenement housing.

John Stossel: So what!

Donald Trump: So what?…Atlantic City does a lot less business, and senior citizens get a lot less money and a lot less taxes and a lot less this and that.”

some similar quotes here from Trump:

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/07/21/nyregion/widowed-homeowner-foils-trump-in-atlantic-city.html

It’s hard to conclude he “wasn’t” heavily invested in the effort to take the land through eminent domain

[phothus]

You’ve posted NO information in this thread. You’ve merely called people liars without providing any relevant input.

Please post your facts on the cases we’ve discussed. Put up or shut up.