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To: eartick

“7 6 6 is the way Iowa has it posted.”

It is hard to imagine how you missed the hundreds of prior postings by myself and dozens of others, but just for you here is some of it yet again.

“For NBC statement I believe it is the mother that makes the child a NBC.”

That is quite impossible. What makes a person a natural born citizen is the fact that the child is born within the jurisdiction and therefore the sovereignty, allegiance, and obedience to the one and only domestic sovereign. Any child who is born outside the jurisdiction, sovereignty, and duty of obedience to the domestic sovereign and/or with a duty of obedience to one or both parents who have a duty of allegiance and obedience to a foreign sovereign, is born with a divided allegiance, divided duty of obedience, and a divided loyalty to more than one sovereign; and such a child cannot acquire nationality by any other means other than the legal fiction of a statutory law, manmade law, and artificial law known as an act of naturalization that confers at birth or after birth certain capacities in law already enjoyed by actual natural born citizens who acquired citizenship by birth with undivided allegiance or duties of obedience to any other sovereign. Note, this is the way in which natural born citizenship and naturalized citizenship has been handled for thousands of years back to the City of Athens in Ancient Greece. It is confirmed in the Naturalization Act of 1541, Calvin’s Case 1608 and Sir Edward Coke, the case law of the Supreme Court of the United States, the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952, the U.S. State Department Foreign Affairs manual administering naturalization law, and the Constitution. See examples such as:

66 Stat. Public Law 414 - June 27, 1952. TITLE III - NATIONALITY AND NATURALIZATION. Chapter 1 - Nationality at Birth and by Collective Naturalization. NATIONALS AND CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AT BIRTH. Sec. 301. (a) The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth; . . . (7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at lest five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States by such citizen parent may be included in computing the physical presence requirements of this paragraph.

U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual Volume 7
Consular Affairs. 7 FAM 1151 INTRODUCTION... b. 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(23); INA 101(a)(23)) defines naturalization as the conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth by any means whatsoever. . . For the purposes of this subchapter naturalization includes:... (5) “Automatic” acquisition of U.S. citizenship after birth, a form of naturalization by certain children born abroad to U.S. citizen parents or children adopted abroad by U.S. citizen parents.

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 18 S.Ct. 456, 42 L.Ed. said “A person born out of the jurisdiction of the United States can only become a citizen by being naturalized....”

“I believe in the old saying, mama’s baby, daddy’s maybe and before DNA testing that was the true test of parentage.”

No person born abroad is a natural born citizen without some form of diplomatic immunity to prevent the child from being born under the duty of allegiance and obedience to the foreign sovereign. Without diplomatic immunity, a child born abroad is alien born and acquires U.S. citizenship only by naturalization at birth or after birth. Ted Cruz acquired U.S. citizenship by the authority of the above quoted Public Law in the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952. Ted Cruz was born in Canada, a foreign jurisdiction, with foreign Canadian citizenship, with a duty of allegiance to a foreign sovereign; so it is utterly impossible for Ted Cruz to have been born with a duty of allegiance and obedience to only the sovereign United States as required to be a natural born citizen, a person who could acquire no other citizenship but U.S. citizenship by birth.

“If you have another way of proving besides chastity belts and watching performance of the act, let me know.”

The parentage of Ted Cruse is not relevant except to qualify him for eligibility to become a naturalized U.S. citizen. Without diplomatic immunity, it makes no difference whatsoever whether he had one or two U.S citizen parents when born abroad, meaning outside U.S. jurisdiction; because all such children born abroad can acquire U.S. citizenship only by naturalization and in no other way.

“So Senator Cruz would be NBC but I am not sure about Senator Rubio if his mother was a Citizen when he was born or if she received her naturalization papers after he was born.”

Due to his birth abroad, it is physically impossible for Ted Cruz to acquire U.S. citizenship by any means other than naturalization, which makes Ted Cruz ineligible to be a lawful President. Marco Rubio has almost the same problem of ineligibility as Ted Cruz, except his acquisition of citizenship by naturalization at birth was authorized by paragraph (1) instead of paragraph (7) of the same section of the U.S. Immigration Act of 1952. Marco Rubio’s parents were both alien Cuban citizens when Marco Rubio was born in the jurisdiction of the United States.


77 posted on 02/02/2016 5:29:36 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX
Uh, what I was saying was the mother's place of Citizenship makes the child a NBC. That is all. Not the father because how do you know it is really the father so cut the diatribe

There has been so many posting and you thinking YOUR postings are somehow special makes you seem well, not worth my time even responding to and you being somehow aloof from others.

81 posted on 02/02/2016 9:17:56 AM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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