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What has law enforcement said?

“He charged us.”

“He was reaching for his waistband.”

“He had a gun in his pocket.”

They keep changing their story. That makes this look like a coverup.

What did the Sheriff say at the press conference?

Did he say, “He drew a weapon and came at us blazing away!”?

Nope.

Look at what he said.

The fact is that this operation was a failure.

The standard is that 100% of the suspects are taken alive.

There is a dead American citizen.

The standard was not met.

That is failure.

Lavoy was not my employee.

Law Enforcement personnel are my employees. I pay their wages.

Do I demand perfection from my employees?

When life and death are involved, yes I do.

This guy left behind a wife and a bunch of kids.

You can be law enforcement or have law enforcement as close relations, but that doesn’t change the fact, the fact, that this operation was a failure.

Law enforcement needs to quit hiding and admit they failed.

Should law enforcement be punished for failing?

Yes, lest it become common practice.

If I was conducting an AAR on this operation, I would start out with,

“Guys, we are all going home tonight. No law enforcement personnel were killed or wounded or hurt and that is great. Things happened fast, and it could have been really bad.”

Then, I would hit them like a blast furnace for failing the mission.

That way, they would know that I cared about them, but that I wouldn’t tolerate failure in life and death situations.

Covering up for incompetence isn’t loyalty, it’s accessory to incompetence.

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Seems there is some examination of conscience to be done, even if not criminal culpability. Above all, the over militarization and hair-trigger training of LE HAS to be addressed.

LeVoy did not need to die; those in his vehicle did not need to be pummeled with rounds. LE training is in great need of reform, if this situation is an example of "legitimate" response to "legitimate" training. As others have posited, these rules of engagement in Oregon on our soil, exceed what are allowed by our fighters on foreign soil.

I have to agree with that assessment. We we taught and trained on the Geneva Convention, on how to save cultural treasures, to avoid collateral damage to civilians, even at the expense of our own and our troops' lives, heaven help us to exercise judgment to protect our own troops within the rules of engagement, but that is what we had to do, - we had to do both.

Who is prepared to let go this pummeling of a civilian vehicle on a civilian highway in these Unites States, go excused? ... In a foreign theater, it could well be deigned a War Crime! Yet, none even here, much less in society at large, are protesting the pummeling of a civilian vehicle in a filmed assault, with not only presumed guilty but also known innocent hence collateral innocents involved?

You freepers decry the hands of our warriors tied in foreign wars into which they are sent for better or for worse, yet you would ALLOW this travesty to be understood as a legitimate exercise of domestic police power?? PLEASE EXPLAIN as inquiring minds are wondering.

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