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I am the student loan crisis at its ugliest: I graduated and found out I have $200,000 in debt
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Posted on 01/30/2016 7:31:23 PM PST by TigerClaws

Every once in a while, when I’m feeling overwhelmed, I watch college commencement ceremonies on YouTube.

These rituals remind me how perverse our higher-education system is—and of the empty idealism that colleges and universities sell us:

We are here today, donning our ceremonial robes and caps, to recite the traditional vacuous platitudes and wish you well in paying off high-interest student loans for which we are in no way held accountable.

Let us now further romanticize our fair institution by singing the alma mater and conveniently forget that tuition has gone up 1,120 percent since 1978. Good luck out there, kids!

I’m a consumer of those vacuous platitudes and a victim of this system. After finishing my master’s degree in 2008, I found out—as in, I didn’t already know—that I had $200,000 in student debt.

Some well-paying professions might make this amount manageable, but for a bioethicist like me, it’s been crushing. Many things had to go wrong for this to happen—or right, if you’re a school or a lender. Although the hefty amount I owe is unusual, my experience is not: Motivated by an idealistic view of education and career and vulnerable to predatory, disingenuous, or at least negligent institutions, young people and their families too often take on large amounts of student debt.

No matter how much they owe, the consequences of that debt can be outsized. These young people may have to abandon their educations early; pay back far more, after interest, than they took out; manage exceptionally exploitative loan terms; shoulder serious, chronic mental distress; delay important life decisions; and participate less in the economy than they otherwise would.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bioethicist; darwintrainee; education; lessthangump; stupidity
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To: dfwgator


21 posted on 01/30/2016 7:39:58 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Steamburg

To be fair to both sides on that issue, it did give the appearance that he would be teaching a class or two.

And to his defense, he probably just signed off on it as one of a million other deals.


22 posted on 01/30/2016 7:40:07 PM PST by dp0622
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To: TigerClaws
So, then, I guess if you walk out of a store with a TV and say "I only found out after I walked out that it cost 1000$" You should be able to keep the TV and have the government pay it back for you.
23 posted on 01/30/2016 7:40:25 PM PST by tinyowl (A equals A, And C Edmund Wright thinks I am an idiot and a Trump Sycophant)
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To: TigerClaws

The Ivory Tower goes around telling kids, “The private sector is treacherous —they’ll enlsave you, USE YOU...! They will take advantage of you, EXPLOIT you..!”

And then they whip around and they do EXACTLY that to these vulnerable, stupid young people.

The schools —who often partially own the collection agencies for these debts— KNOW these stupid degrees put them in holes the kids will never get out of.

There should NEVER be gummint-backed loans for Entertainment Degrees, or the student debt should be dischargeable via bankruptcy.

Demand for such degrees would dry up IN A BIG HURRY.

Increasingly the University system is a system of indoctrination and SLAVERY.

The students are stupid but there is something bigger, more evil at work, here and it should be stopped.


24 posted on 01/30/2016 7:40:51 PM PST by gaijin
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To: TigerClaws
$200,000 in debt? That's a lot to pay just to get indoctrinated in leftist ideals.

Mind blown.


25 posted on 01/30/2016 7:40:56 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Can we please kill the guy already who invented the saying "My bad"?)
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To: TigerClaws

Before the general election is over... when Trump is far ahead in the polls... the dem candidate will promise to absolve all student load debt.

It will happen.


26 posted on 01/30/2016 7:41:12 PM PST by Bobalu (I told you so!)
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To: dfwgator

Virtually always, some manner of death panel advocate.


27 posted on 01/30/2016 7:41:43 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OMorgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: TigerClaws

Did he put it all on the 50 credit cards he had since freshman year?


28 posted on 01/30/2016 7:42:11 PM PST by kaehurowing
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To: TigerClaws; dfwgator
A bioethicist assists the health care and research community in examining moral issues involved in our understanding of life and death, and resolving ethical dilemmas in medicine and science.

Basically, it's somebody who gets to make life and death decisions for other people.....but he can't do math.

We are so screwed.

29 posted on 01/30/2016 7:42:28 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am a person as created by the Law of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man.)
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To: wjcsux
This asshat would run your company into the ground in a heartbeat.

He graduated to late to be part of Obamas administration.

30 posted on 01/30/2016 7:42:43 PM PST by digger48
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To: dfwgator

A bioethicist is a person who goes around telling biotechnologists that what they’re doing is wrong —like engineering crop strains that require less water, or that can endure pesticide levels.

And the funny thing is that the one job in which we really REALLY need bioethicists to speak up on —namely that we shouldn’t take innocent life as fodder for extension of others lives— there is HUGE pressure for them to SHUT THE HELL UP.

And by and large THEY DO.


31 posted on 01/30/2016 7:42:47 PM PST by gaijin
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To: TigerClaws

They needed a Master’s degree to figure out their college debt was 200K??


32 posted on 01/30/2016 7:42:55 PM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: dfwgator

That means if you do not support communism or Hillary then there must be something biologically wrong with you.


33 posted on 01/30/2016 7:42:58 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Can we please kill the guy already who invented the saying "My bad"?)
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To: dfwgator

How did he, as an ethicist, not be able to figure out his debt levels?


34 posted on 01/30/2016 7:43:04 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: TigerClaws

Two shortcomings of the education system is the failure to teach personal responsibility and financial literacy.


35 posted on 01/30/2016 7:43:09 PM PST by beekay
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To: TigerClaws
Now do you see why you don't want the federal government in your business?

It wasn't that long ago (1960’s) that pregnancy wasn't covered by insurance. Pregnant women made arrangements to pay their doctor and the hospital in monthly payments prior to the birth. It keep prices low.

Prices used to be kept low for college before the government meddled.

36 posted on 01/30/2016 7:43:22 PM PST by donna (Radicalized Christians become missionaries; then, they tell everyone that Jesus loves them!)
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To: Steamburg
Seriously, they should revoke his degree if he is so dumb he didn't realize his debt had gone to $200,000.

And you are spot on about the Trump business school. If I recall, the tuition for that was a fraction of what colleges charge for a traditional degree program and is probably much more useful for getting gainful employment.

When I got out of the military in 1985, I was debating a four-year college but ended up going to a 9-month technical (trade) school instead, as I wanted to get myself into the workforce in a skilled position as quickly as possible.

Turned out to be a very good decision. Not only did I have near zero student loans to pay off (I think it was only $2,000 and paid off in five years), but since graduating with an electronics certificate, I have never known a day of unemployment and now hold an executive position with my current company.

37 posted on 01/30/2016 7:43:50 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
I wonder if this was one of her textbooks


38 posted on 01/30/2016 7:44:01 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: TigerClaws
After finishing my master's degree in 2008, I found out - as in, I didn't already know - that I had $200,000 in student debt.

This person is like the drunk who runs a tab buying drinks for strangers because it's fun, and then complains that he has to pay off what he spent. If he's too stupid to add up the money he's borrowing, that is no excuse for making me pay for his extravagance. The most useful lesson this "bioethicist" could possibly learn, far better than anything in his undergraduate or Masters programs, is in the school of hard knocks. He will learn it by gradually paying off his legitimate debt and coming to understand that actions have consequences.

39 posted on 01/30/2016 7:44:40 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: TigerClaws

I’m so tired of hearing about these people.
All these stories keep coming out to get ready for the government to ‘forgive’ most of these loans that they never had any intention of paying back. Taxpayers are gonna get hosed again.


40 posted on 01/30/2016 7:48:38 PM PST by Trillian
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