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The Constitution is a social contract among "We the people of the United States of America." Muslims have NO INTENTION of ever respecting that social contract. To them, you are not deserving respect for your rights or the Constitution as a fellow citizen participant in that contract.
I understand fully what you're saying, and I even agree. I never considered islam to be a religion as it doesn't promote the betterment of all mankind, but the subjugation of everything else.
But coming to a consensus among ourselves isn't the problem.
The problem is, as a country, we don't get to judge someone else's conscience. We can't assume guilt, it must be proven. Doing so is both hypocritical and dangerous, as it can create a legalistic weapon that can too easily be used for a purpose for which it was never intended.
Keeping that in mind, the only viable way I could see in extracting islam's adherents from the country while remaining true to the Constitution is by their nationality, not their religion. THEN we can figure out how to deal with the home grown ones.
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BTW - as you can probably tell, this is one of those 'snowball' threads...you know - the ones where you say something, then your statement gets so twisted around by other posters that you know there's no way you'll manage to straighten it back out again, so you just sorta give up..
I think it can be, from the Quran itself.
Doing so is both hypocritical and dangerous, as it can create a legalistic weapon that can too easily be used for a purpose for which it was never intended.
Judaism suffers the same problem politically, Christianity not so much, for reasons I can discuss at length if you are interested.
I could see in extracting islam's adherents from the country while remaining true to the Constitution is by their nationality, not their religion.
There is such a thing as renouncing one's citizenship, which requires then not so much proof beyond a reasonable doubt as a finding. The combination of the Shahada and the death penalty of apostasy will do. Frankly, that one is easy and shares nothing pf a type with Judaism. Sadly, those guys who run our court system also wear those not so funny red hats. I'm not sanguine about how that would turn out.
BTW - as you can probably tell, this is one of those 'snowball' threads...
Ah, but after a time, the weather changes, the light appears (ahem!), and the snowman melts to its essences, a carrot, two sticks, and a few lumps of coal. Put them in the hat and go on. (I suspect you can tell, I hate this kind of mysticism by analogy that putridly infuses too many religions today... it is ignorance under the guise of wisdom).
Good Morning to you, MamaTexan, you're not done. It's why you were called. Yeah, you know who. :-)
One thing I’m finding out — I’m a patriot first and a constitutionalist second.
I personally would not hesitate to amend the constitution to modify the privacy rights of muslims — just one example. And it’s insane to persecute everyone fairly at US airport security checks.
But good news — many US born muslims assimilate. So perhaps all we need to do is break the cycle ... 85% of US mosques preach violence against infidels. Muslim education must also be monitored and compelled to assimilate.
Of course, we would be risking a devastating terror attack by being less ‘hard line’. So we’ll just have to see how things shake out.
In the meantime, I am all for a ban to prevent importing more muslims.