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This was the moment when Ted Cruz lost the debate
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Posted on 01/29/2016 10:01:33 AM PST by TangledUpInBlue
No one looked particularly good. But Cruz is the only one who lost.
It might not be the exact moment that sinks Cruz's candidacy. Donald Trump appears to deserve the credit he's taking for that. But it was definitely the moment when the bitter animosity people feel toward Cruz â his fellow candidates, his fellow senators, and even, apparently, Fox News â broke out in the open.
At the heart of the attacks on Cruz is that behind his claims of conservative purity, he is, in fact, no better than the establishment candidates on the stage. He may not flip-flop as often as they do, but he's just as interested in doing what it takes to get ahead.
That attack, especially when applied to such a touchy issue as immigration, robs him of his key appeal to the conservative base. And it leaves his chief nemesis â Donald Trump â not only with an uncontested claim to immigration hard-liner cred, but as the only Republican candidate who actually speaks from the heart.
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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: nasty; softballs4democrats
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To: TangledUpInBlue
Forget about trying to graph, measure or quantify how sharp Donald Trump’s political instincts are, he’s just off the charts. However, his decision to spotlight Ted Cruz’s greatest weakness, “the personality of Cruz“, the “in-authenticity”, is beyond brilliant.
Such a keen instinct is simply immeasurable.
Not only did Donald Trump win the seventh GOP debate by not showing up; and not only did Trump avoid the best laid ambush plans of the Fox News team; and not only did Donald Trump raise well over $6 million for American veterans; but by removing himself from the debate stage – Trump’s absence forced Ted Cruz out of the shadows and into the brightest possible sunlight.
Candidate Trump previously stated: “Ted Cruz is just a nasty person” – and by all accounts the pontificating arrogance and personality of Ted Cruz was not only captured by the broadcast, but for the first time Iowans who tuned-in saw first hand WHY Ted Cruz is the loneliest man in Washington DC.
Continued at The Last Refuge.
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posted on
01/29/2016 10:12:49 AM PST
by
Bratch
To: TangledUpInBlue
There were unrealistic expectations for Cruz to shine since he’d be out of Trump’s shadow. It didn’t happen. In fact nothing changed as a result of the debate. If anything moved the ball, it was a veteran rally happening across town.
To: TangledUpInBlue
The truth is that if people really want to change the rules by taking the power away from the media and elitists, you have to stop playing by their rules.
Eveey single one of those on that debate stage would be better off today had they have told Rinse and FOX to pound sand, went over to that Trump Rally and gave troop support and gave a short speech.
Why open yourself up to abuse from those scumbags?
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posted on
01/29/2016 10:13:30 AM PST
by
dforest
To: TBP
Why can’t I ask Ted Cruz and get a straight answer from him?
I’m supposed to ask other politicians for a straight answer? Something seems wrong with that.
Furthermore, Sessions, Lee or Schumer aren’t running for president.
Ted Cruz is, and if Ted Cruz can’t properly explain himself on the most important issue of the election, guess who isn’t going to be elected president...
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posted on
01/29/2016 10:13:32 AM PST
by
chris37
(heartless)
To: LS
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posted on
01/29/2016 10:14:13 AM PST
by
dforest
To: TangledUpInBlue
The Republican party would be smart to return to old style debates, so no candidate is hurt by the “moderator” and no candidate is wounded when he/she goes up against the democrats. One of the well-educated media pundits (albeit a democrat) who actually knows what a debate format really is and how to moderate should be the moderator, and the candidates have a real debate back and forth on their positions, i.e., Trump and Cruz versus Rubio and Bush, etc. And have several debates with the various candidates, no more than four per stage. That way, people can see the real candidates, sans personal insults, and silly democrat questions. And maybe get some real understanding of the real differences between democrats and republicans, and why the difference. What we have now is incredibly stupid and devoid of real information.
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posted on
01/29/2016 10:14:26 AM PST
by
erkelly
To: TBP
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posted on
01/29/2016 10:15:28 AM PST
by
Cboldt
To: chris37
You can — he gave a p[erfectly straight answer last night. He stated the facts of the situation, which run counter to Kelly’s distorted presentation of it.
But she eagerly covered for Rubio’s dishonesty on this issue.
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posted on
01/29/2016 10:15:54 AM PST
by
TBP
(Obama lies, Granny dies.)
To: TangledUpInBlue
He showed up. That is when he lost. He didn’t have the guts to tell the snotty little girl that he isn’t playing her sorority games anymore. I want a president that respects himself enough to respect me as well. If he can’t respect himself he will never have the guts to respect me and represents me and my country properly.
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posted on
01/29/2016 10:16:42 AM PST
by
CodeToad
(Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
To: TangledUpInBlue
That’s odd. Initially everyone said Trump was going to pay for not attending the debate. Now everyone is considering it a masterful move.
Initially this was supposed to be Cruz’s moment to shine. Now everyone is saying he got crushed.
Strange world.
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posted on
01/29/2016 10:17:54 AM PST
by
McGruff
(Boycott Fox News Channel. I am.)
To: Rennes Templar
I think the country needs a patriotic unrepentant capitalist mogul
the next potus is going to inherit a helluva crap pile of economic and social chaos left by Obama
Imagine our economic stats once the establishment covering for obama stops suppressing twisting and lying about them
The big “R” (maybe even the big “D”) will start the moment a republican is sworn into office and will be labeled his fault within a week
there is no one with better qualifications and fearless guts than Trump to marshal a national recovery plan and secure our out-of-control immigration policy
conservative or liberal- wont matter much until the US borders are secured and the economy is able to function again
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posted on
01/29/2016 10:17:55 AM PST
by
silverleaf
(Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
To: zerosix
What does a conservative site give credence to George Soros? Because half of this site has decided to lock their conservatism in a closet for this election cycle, embracing instead a left leaning big government populism.
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posted on
01/29/2016 10:18:03 AM PST
by
dead
("I'm up to my eyeball in virgin goats!" - Mullah Omar)
To: IC Ken
Rubio could have snared VP if he had the cajones to buck the establishment and go big by joining trump
But more pretty facetime on FOX with the rest of the big kids was more important to him
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posted on
01/29/2016 10:19:30 AM PST
by
silverleaf
(Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
To: Buckeye McFrog
Maybe he and Levine/Beck can challenge Jeb to a mano on mano debate?
Pray America wakes
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posted on
01/29/2016 10:20:04 AM PST
by
bray
(Trump/Palin 2016)
To: dforest
There is no chance their managers would allow them out of the debate. They are using the same old formulas that have lost election after election.
The beauty is, the manager checks still cash after the loss.
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posted on
01/29/2016 10:22:05 AM PST
by
bray
(Trump/Palin 2016)
To: TangledUpInBlue
I thought it was a bad omen with Cruz’s initial opening hit at Trump, when he said Carson was a terrible surgeon. You could see how false and forced Ben’s big toothy grin was in response to that.
To: dead
Agreement there!
Once upon a time since 1998, I used to come here for a breath of sanity - now I go to the Y (in the winter) or for a really, really long walk.
It is better than reaching for a serious drink or Valium!
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posted on
01/29/2016 10:22:24 AM PST
by
zerosix
(Native Sunflower)
To: silverleaf
[But more pretty facetime on FOX with the rest of the big kids was more important to him]
Yup Funny how undercarders Santorum and Huckabee have a better chance of VP that most any on the main stage.
To: chris37
On what issue did he not clearly explain himself? If you are referring to immigration, you must not have seen the entire debate. If you are simply using Vox as a source you are being a tool.
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posted on
01/29/2016 10:24:59 AM PST
by
jstaff
To: TangledUpInBlue
I think the bigger issue is that since Trump wasn't there, he couldn't lose. Someone had to lose. Someone had to be attacked by the Moderators and the other candidates and since Cruz is Trump's closest competitor, he got the brunt of it. And all it will do is help Trump by hurting Cruz. Addition by Subtraction. It wouldn't surprise me if Trump went through this exact calculus. The man can handle the media in his sleep. Exactly. He saw that his attacks on Cruz weren't having an overall huge impact So he left Cruz exposed and a target for everyone else.
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