[Bob434]

[[I think I made it very clear that I believe both sides were in the wrong under the scenario I laid out.]]

From what I understand, the car was pulled over, the driver put both hands out the window, the feds shot a few times INTO the vehicle, missing everyone apparently, the driver took off- According to the post here- http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3389222/posts?page=124#124

then later pulled over again, got out, hands up and was walking forward- IF this is the case, how are the militants in the wrong? They apparently were driving to turn themselves in

[Scirparius]

how are the militants in the wrong

There are two different "eyewitness" accounts of what happened that are very different. You may choose to belief the one in the post you referenced. I choose to believe neither until more information and evidence becomes available (if it ever does).

My point was that both "sides" in this standoff have made mistakes and neither has clean hands.

I am *not* saying Finicum got what he deserved or anything like that, but if you publicly announce that you are always armed and ready to die before going to jail, you have to understand that law enforcement will take that seriously. Those in LE who may be bad actors will have an excuse to gun you down. Those in LE who may not be bad actors will nevertheless be more ready than usual to use lethal force when they come to arrest you.

I am not trying to acquit the FBI of shooting a man who may very well have been surrendering. I am not blaming Finicum for being gunned down by LE if that is what happened. All I am saying is that the most likely thing that occurred here was something south of the FBI righteously defending themselves from an armed guy charging at them with lethal intent, and something north of the FBI cold-bloodedly executing a man on his knees with his hands in the air.