On the thread about the Cruz ad, responses ranged from "lies, lies, lies!" to multiple scenarios tossed out as an alternative scenarios about what really happened to Mrs. Coking, none of which had no foundation in fact. This is what happened. These are facts. They are not 'smears' on Trump - it is indeed what he has done and where he stands on the issue of property rights. The Cruz ad is accurate. Now can we have a rationale explanation as to why conservatives should not be concerned about this vs. trying to argue it isn't true and attacking people as "liars" who dare voice even the slightest concern?
So taking a widow’s house for a casino overflow parking lot for limo-riding fat cats is conservative now?
Maybe the Democrats were right about Republicans.
How does Cruz think the land for the Keystone pipeline that he supported would be acquired? Emminent Domain.
The pipeline land would be bought and taken for a corporations use to transport corporate oil from Canada to the gulf at a corporate storage facility to be sent on a corporations ship to asia to be refined and sold by a corporation there. No different from Trump’s deal. All keystone infrastructure was to benefit the corporations using it. With Asia as the primary beneficiary.
Trump’s supporters are very thin skinned. They’ll dish out the insults, but they can’t take any criticism of Trump, and they will try to bully any opposition into silence.....just like liberals do
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
A parking lot for a private business does not fall under this constitutional amendment. A public highway or an easment for a public highway does.
Here is a somewhat biased anti-Trump version of the actual events.
"This is a nationwide epidemic," says Berliner. "We have documented more than 10,000 instances of government taking property from one person to give it to another in just the last five years."
"It is fundamentally wrong, and contrary to the Constitution for the government to take property from one private owner, and hand it over to another private owner, just because the government thinks that person is going to make more productive use of the land," says Bullock.
"Everyone knows that property can be taken for a road. But nobody thinks that property can be taken to give it to their neighbor or the large business down the street for their economic benefit," adds Berliner. "People are shocked when they hear that this is going on around the country."
Outrageous that Donald admits he “Loves Eminent domain”!
Trump: “I fully understand the conservative approach, but I don’t think conservatives fully understand...”
He sure demonstrates a tin ear when it comes to understanding the constitution and any related complexity.
Donald will be authorativative disaster, ruling as an autocrat over we little people.
Guaranteed.
He’s told you flat out told you that, through association, actions and his own words.
He achieves his own interests via the Art of the Deal.
The deal involves Smoozing and BS’ing politicians & bankers, for other people’s money financing and taxpayer funded property tax reduction sweetheart deals.
Whatever it takes!
All to erect his grossly overpriced luxury hotels, office buildings, and golf courses.
Yeah, Donald, member of the elite’s hive, will be such to look after the interests of the middle class /s
Just listen to his own words before he begun his campaign.
RE: “In this campaign he has been asked about eminent domain and his views continue to be consistent - he even took the opportunity to take another swipe at conservatives at the end of this video that if we don’t support it, it’s apparently because we didn’t get it explained to us properly.
More like Dan Rather accurate. Here’s the answer I posted on the other thread two hours ago.
“TRUS-TED”, I don’t think so. Cruz implies Trump took her house, bulldozed it and put up a parking lot. That never happened. Trump wasn’t the only LV investor who wanted the property and she wouldn’t sell. Penthouse publisher offered her $1 million in the ‘70s some 15 or so years before Trump was ever on the scene. Eventually, Trump bought two nearby properties for millions and built his parking lot. In the late 90s, the courts cleared up the loop holes in the law a that particular time due to there was no limits on what the sell of a city owned “eminent domain” gotten property to a developer/person. However, the courts didn’t stop eminent domain properties being sold to individuals. Trump had moved on and sold the building. Coking continued to live in her house, which was by then in even more serious disrepair, another dozen years until she moved to CA. She put the house on the market but no buyer stepped up to pay the $5 million asking price. Four years later, in 2014, it went on the auction block with a final bid of $583K and immediately saw the bulldozers.
No, I don’t like taking someone’s house so bad on Trump and the others even if it was within the law at the time. But Cruz’s ad smells of horse hockey implying Trump stole her house and built a parking lot on it.
What next, pushing little old ladies in wheelchairs over cliffs?
We don't need no steenking facts! ;-)
BJ CLUNTON DID THIS FOR HIS LIBRARY!
This as it was back in the 1970s when the Penthouse Boardwalk Hotel and Casino began
construction around it after not being able to purchase.
Then in 1993 Trump bought several lots around the Coking home to use as parking area for
his Trump Plaza property. Coking wouldn't sell to Trump and Atlantic City started condemnation
proceedings. Coking won the comdenation proceedings. In 2010 Coking moved to CA to be with her
grandson. The property was place on the market for $5 million, didn't sell. Reduced to $1 million
and still didn't sell. It was finally placed at auction and sold for $580,000 to purchaser Carl Icahn July 31, 2014.
Trump wasn't involved nor was the Atlantic City gov't when the property was auctioned off.
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You have to know what Trump is when he is on the opposite side from John Stossel.
Video brings to mind Obama’s ads showing Paul Ryan(O’s new buddy) wheeling granny off a cliff.
2. Trump has a consistent habit of muddying the waters when an interviewer gets too close to the truth. In the Stossel interview, you can see that at 1:47 into the video. His argument will turn to schools, roads, hospitals -- WHATEVER he can use to divert your attention away from his thuggish bullying of the "little people" in order to advance his empire.
3. Another way he muddies the water is to veer off into an attack on someone about something, jabbering a mile a minute in desperate hopes that the interviewer can't get back to his line of questioning because it's drilling down to the truth.
4. Trump believes everyone on the planet is motivated by big bucks. He can't conceive of the idea that someone simply has an emotional attachment to their environment. Nor does he think it's fair for someone to stand on principle just for the sake of principle. He actually has people believing that the heavy in the Coking situation is the widow herself. HOW DARE SHE GET IN THE WAY OF HIS EMPIRE BUILDING!!?!??! Harrrrrumph!
5. I remember this board when the Kelo decision came down. FReepers were incensed across the board and rightfully so. I remember that there were many suggesting that someone should use eminent domain on Souter, forcing him to sell so that someone could build _________________________(fill in the commercial venture of your choice).
6. Republican Wildcat, you nailed it when you said this:
That is straight from the Democrats' playbook, isn't it? How many times have we heard that whine from the left? Enough times that if I had a $1 for each time, I could buy everyone on this thread a nice lunch. And yet, here's the frontrunner in the REPUBLICAN race revealing his position on this matter. He blabs so incessantly, I tend to tune him out. But the truth is, there's a lot to be learned by listening very carefully to every word when he gets diarrhea of the mouth.he event took the opportunity to take another swipe at conservatives at the end of this video that if we don't support it, it's apparently because we didn't get it explained to us properly...
I think Cruz is a better candidate by far.
Trump has not explained any of his bad decisions or past stances.
But I’m tired.
This site has gone Trump.
I’m gonna take a couple of days off for my sanity.
In the real estate business we refer to Vera’s actions as “overplaying her hand”. This was a boarding house, not the family farm, let’s be clear about that. Here is an excellent article which tells the end story about Vera.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/22/nyregion/a-homeowner-who-refused-to-cash-out-in-a-gambling-town-may-have-missed-her-chance.html
She was offered a fair price...she declined...her family is now left to settle for whatever they get in a real estate auction.
“But those offers, along with threats of eminent domain that turned her briefly into a national hero, were never enough to force Vera Coking out of the summertime retreat she and her husband, Raymond, bought for $20,000 in 1961.
Now, as Atlantic City teeters under the weight of all of its opulence, Ms. Coking and her family may have lost their shot at a big payout.
After decades of happily running her boarding home, Ms. Coking was eventually relegated to the ground floor before her family moved her out. Now 91, she lives at a retirement home in the San Francisco Bay Area near her grandson, Ed Casey. He has been trying to sell the property since she moved out in 2010, initially putting it on the market for $5 million....Mr. Casey said the most he remembered Mr. Trump offering was $1.9 million...now the property will go up for auction. The reserve price, or the lowest the seller will accept, is $199,000.”
The land was assessed in 1996 for $251,000 and Trump offered $1.900,000. That is definitely not Trump “stealing the property.”