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Against Trump (RINOs dedicate entire magazine to Trump bashing)
NRO ^ | January 22, 2016 | Numerous RINOs

Posted on 01/22/2016 6:44:33 AM PST by 20yearsofinternet

Trump nevertheless offers a valuable warning for the Republican party. If responsible men irresponsibly ignore an issue as important as immigration, it will be taken up by the reckless. If they cannot explain their Beltway maneuvers - worse, if their maneuvering is indefensible - they will be rejected by their own voters. If they cannot advance a compelling working-class agenda, the legitimate anxieties and discontents of blue-collar voters will be exploited by demagogues. We sympathize with many of the complaints of Trump supporters about the GOP, but that doesn't make the mogul any less flawed a vessel for them.

Some conservatives have made it their business to make excuses for Trump and duly get pats on the head from him. Count us out. Donald Trump is a menace to American conservatism who would take the work of generations and trample it underfoot in behalf of a populism as heedless and crude as the Donald himself.

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To: publius911

Brent Bozell had a great beard.

But now it’s obsolete, gray, expired, and unhinged.


121 posted on 01/22/2016 9:32:29 AM PST by ChuteTheMall (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: Jane Long
"...Highly respected Constitutional law professor..."

I'll see your one scholar and raise you four:

Respected Yale law professor Akhil Reed Amar, arguably the nation's most prominent liberal originalist scholar, argues that Cruz is a "natural born citizen." January 14, 2016

Jack M. Balkin is a respected "Knight Professor of Constitutional Law" at Yale Law School, concludes Cruz is a "natural born citizen." January 13, 2016

Respected Harvard law professor Cass Sunstein, Also concludes that Cruz is NBC. January 12, 2016

Ilya Shapiro is a respected senior fellow in constitutional studies at the Cato Institute and editor-in-chief of the Cato Supreme Court Review, concludes that Cruz is NBC and made the case clear back in March 2015 *well before* Trump saw Cruz as a threat. March 23, 2015

You and I can do this all day long and all we will accomplish is arguing in circles. The point being - Neither you nor I have any idea who is right, wrong, or partially so one way or another. With 0bama, Romney, McCain, and on back to Goldwater and beyond, there are plenty of use-cases in Cruz's favor. And if we are to try and divine original intent, the *only* reference in the legislative record (NA of 1790) represents the opinion of a congress that including not only the founding fathers, but 8 of the 11 framers of the very constitution itself and they wrote a mere three years after they framed the constitution that children born outside the nation to US citizens were NBC. "Original Intent" does not get much more "Original" than that.

Fast forward to today and the bottom line is that, until a court resolves it definitively *and* specifically regarding presidential qualifications, no-one knows definitively and can only opine on the matter. Due to "judicial restraint" (google it if not familiar), no other SCOTUS ruling that may happen to mention NBC, or even lower court rulings, are applicable. Other rulings can certainly be used in arguing for or against Cruz should a SCOTUS case finally arise -- but until then, it is undecided vis-a-vis presidential eligibility.

As for me, I will take the founding fathers at their word, as expressed in the NA of 1790 which gives their clear, unambiguous declaration that they would have been OK with Cruz as a candidate. And who am I to argue with them? But apparently some folks do choose to argue with that clear statement by the founding fathers, so opinions will vary...

But good luck with your candidate!

122 posted on 01/22/2016 9:33:38 AM PST by jaydee770
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To: 20yearsofinternet

Can you sense the fear?


123 posted on 01/22/2016 9:35:06 AM PST by JayAr36 (Political Correctness = National Suicide)
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To: ek_hornbeck
If it's just about winning, why is there so much hostility to Trump, who is certainly capable of winning the general election against Hillary (and can probably bring over more disaffected working-class Democrats than Jeb or Rubio could)?

Polls consistently show that Trump near or at the top of unfavorability ratings. They also show that he tends to do worse against Sanders or Clinton than other GOP candidates.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/pres_general/

He's got a lot of very enthusiastic supporters, but also and a lot of people who don't like him. You can see that even here. Anyway, whether you personally agree with those polls or not, they're out there, and they scare the crap out of some folks.

It's also interesting that to the extent it is a two-person race between Trump and Cruz, some of the "establishment" people seem to be leaning towards Trump. I think part of that is they simply don't like Cruz' personality. But the rest is that even thought Trump wouldn't be favored against a Dem, they think he's got at least a chance. Whereas they see Cruz as Goldwater 2016 -- a staunch conservative who lacks the personal charisma to overcome moderate nervousness about his candidacy.

So yeah, it's about winning for them.

124 posted on 01/22/2016 9:43:25 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: 20yearsofinternet

Well, there is a 1st amendment and it is their magazine. As far as I am concerned if they are telling the truth, too bad. If they are telling a lie then that is another story and the road is a two way street.


125 posted on 01/22/2016 9:44:35 AM PST by biff
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

It’s important to note that favorability polls and cross Party polls are without much value, when each person is campaigning to the base of each Party.


126 posted on 01/22/2016 9:45:59 AM PST by rbmillerjr (Reagan conservative: All 3 Pillars)
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To: 20yearsofinternet
National Review did the SAME IDENTICAL THING to the real conservative, NEWT GINGRICH in 2012, and gave us ROMNEY.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/newt-gingrich-2012-gop-presidential-hopeful-blasted-national-review-washington-examiner-article-1.992057

127 posted on 01/22/2016 9:55:39 AM PST by gg188 (Ted Cruz, R - Goldman Sachs)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Yeah it makes me want to any some money to Cruz (because who else has a chance, and he’s the most consistent conservative) to try to stop Trump


128 posted on 01/22/2016 9:56:56 AM PST by JSDude1
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To: central_va
Taft ate whole bakeries and couldn’t fit into a bath tub.

That was his father, William Howard Taft. Are you really so uninformed on American history?

129 posted on 01/22/2016 9:57:05 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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To: jimbo123

You call Thomas Sowell or Brent Bozell (William F. Buckley’s nephew) RINOs? Really? In the name of protecting a supposedly recent Democrat convert?


130 posted on 01/22/2016 10:08:49 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: rbmillerjr

NRO is afraid, like the GOPe and the DNC, that their cash cow is coming to an end.

They’ll all get more shrill as the year goes on.


131 posted on 01/22/2016 10:10:07 AM PST by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: 20yearsofinternet

I watched four of these NRO yahoos on Megyn Kelly last night and was absolutely stunned at the vapidness and duplicity of their attacks against Trump. Most repeated the mantra over and over again that conservationism was all about “principles and ideas”, but not a single time did they mention anything about ACTING to do anything with those “principles and ideas”.

Much of what they said was simply false or ridiculous, like one comment about Trump destroying “centuries” of conservative ideas and principles. Multiple times they indicated that Trump was unfit because he hadn’t spent decades “paying his dues” or “honing” his conservatism. They attacked Trump for positions held decades ago and at the same time dismissed that same issue regarding Reagan’s evolution. The most outrageous accusation was that Trump was a “strong man” who “wanted the trains to run one time”, a not-veiled-at-all reference equating Trump to Mussolini.

These people were truly pathetic and their absolute fear, panic, and hatred of Trump could be practically seen oozing out of very pore.

Clearly, these people are frightened that they and their ilk will become completely irrelevant when Trump is elected President. It was clear that they feared and loathed Trump FAR more than Hillary or any other Democrat. It was also clear that they are totally out of touch with the outrage in the GOP electorate as a consequence of the GOP elite winning both Congressional Houses and not doing a damn thing to stop any portion of Obama’s agenda.

This really looked like a last gasp by the old guard to put on a full court attack one last time before Trump actually starts winning primaries.

As far as I’m concerned these people are traitors and liars and they don’t give a damn about conservatism or our country. They only care about themselves. Personally, I was completely outraged at how these people pretended like they are the great keepers of THE CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES and pretty much anyone who supports Trump is an uneducated yahoo.

(Also, my impression was that Kelly was actually subtly on Trump’s side as her questions really seemed to be designed to give these Trump-haters substantial amounts of rope to hang themselves with, which they they proceeded to do with great gusto. There’s been a significant shift at Fox News these last few days since Rupert Murdoch made a positive tweet about Donald Trump. Looks like Rupert, like so many others, have concluded that Trump is going to win the Presidency and they’re trying to get on Trump’s good side before it’s too late.)

More importantly, we must not forget that just a few weeks ago, Trump singularly upset the whole election apple cart!

Trump set the national agenda by opposing illegal immigration and bringing up other issues that the GOPe and their allies desperately wanted to avoid, and now they can’t.

The GOPe was not prepared for this, and as a consequence they don’t have a clue about what to do, hence their almost universal collapse into a pile of quivering jello, flip-flopping like a bag of Mexican jumping beans dumped on a hot griddle.

Trump has exposed those who pretend to be conservative but are really just fronts for big money establishment campaign donors who purchase their candidates with campaign “donations”.

Trump, by actually being a real man, has exposed the other candidates (Cruz excepting of course) and their allies for the weak little sniveling sellouts that they really are.

Trump’s vociferous truth-telling and fearless neutering of the kommie media have been the catalyst that triggered a massive revolt amongst conservative voters who are infuriated at the GOPe Congress doing absolutely ZERO to stop Obama’s agenda, and suddenly the GOP RINO leadership is in full blown panic mode and in full blown retreat, and the SMALL conservative House contingent smelt blood in the water, took heart, and charged in against a weakened, frightened and paralyzed GOPe leadership, and Boehner was taken out as a sacrificial lamb.

Trump is absolutely correct when he says that without Trump in the race, everything would be same-ol’, same-ol. The Joyful Tippy-Toes Turtle would be creeping closer to the finish line, Boehner would still be safely ensconced as Speaker, and there would be no mention of illegal immigration are any of the issues surrounding it by any politician in either party, other than possibly how critical it would be to pass immigration “reform”.

The media are loath to make the connection, but it’s obvious that the Boehner resignation was yet another falling domino, toppling due to the Trump Effect, because Trump’s unabashed truth-telling and fearless neutering of the kommie media triggered a revolt amongst the great unwashed GOP masses which emboldened a few conservative Congress critters to grow a few pairs.

And our nation wouldn’t even be having ANY of these conversations about illegal immigration and the myriad of other Obammunist issues destroying our country if it wasn’t for Trump. Instead, we’d simply be debating which RINO, GOPe squish would be least likely to be stomped by Hillary, and the GOPe would once again be exhorting the “base” about how critical it is for us to once again vote for the “lesser of two evils”, that is, vote for the GOPe side of the Uniparty coin.

And do note that ALL of the oligarchs and plutocrats are frightened to death of Donald Trump because the billionaires and millionaires can’t buy him like all of the other politicians they routinely purchase, because Trump doesn’t need nor want their money, and the kommie media is frightened to death of him because he isn’t afraid of them either, the bottom line being that Donald Trump can not be controlled by the rich and powerful or the corrupt media, so for anyone who is truly for campaign finance reform and wants to take money out of politics, voting for Trump is the only reasonable choice.

President Trump is really the last hope for this country: if he can’t undo any of the damage wrought by the Obammunists, the U.S.A. is done.

So least we forget, the above, and much more, are called “The Trump Effect”.


132 posted on 01/22/2016 10:16:57 AM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: JSDude1
I like Cruz a lot, but it makes me nervous that a lot of the establishment people seem to be picking Trump if it is Trump v. Cruz. And if they side with Trump, it's over.

I don't know what to do. Best case scenario is that Cruz wins in Iowa, does really well in NH, and then the anti-Trump people rally around him.

But if antipathy towards him is too much, then the next best scenario is that he gets clobbered, loses the viability of being able to challenge Trump, and the next most conservative guy steps up, which is probably Rubio.

But there's really know way to know that, so I'm just pulling for Cruz hard right now. It would be a hell of a thing to win this election and then put a guy into office who, other than one or two issues, is left of center.

133 posted on 01/22/2016 10:29:59 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: montag813

I was really amazed at this. I am impressed at the RNC and totally believe they would have don’t that if any of our candidates were targeted.

But you have Jeb Bush...saying that they were right to do this and should not be taken off the debate.

I guess that pretty much tells you what he expected.

Worthless. I took NRO off my favorite side bar...They’re done.


134 posted on 01/22/2016 10:35:40 AM PST by nikos1121 (December 25, 2016 will be the merriest Christmas of all for me.)
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To: rbmillerjr
It’s important to note that favorability polls and cross Party polls are without much value, when each person is campaigning to the base of each Party.

But that would be a disadvantage for every candidate, in both parties, not just Trump. And yet he still not only has high unfavorability ratings, but does worse versus both Hillary and Sanders.

Anyway, your point was that the "elites" have no basis to believe that Trump will have a hard time in the general election. But those polls are a basis, even if you personally don't find them convincing. You're basically saying "yes, I know what the polls say, but I have this theory that he's actually going to do better for that."

I can't really blame folks for trusting the polls over your theory. Even if they're wrong, their belief is at least reasonable, and based on articulable facts.

But as I said, if they conclude that he's more electable than Cruz, and Cruz is the only guy who has a shot to take down Trump, just watch how fast they all line up behind the Donald.

For most of them, they just want to win.

135 posted on 01/22/2016 10:36:06 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: jaydee770
Respected Harvard law professor Cass Sunstein, Also concludes that Cruz is NBC. January 12, 2016

Your webcam must be turned off because I can't see if you typed that sentence with a straight face ;-)

136 posted on 01/22/2016 10:54:15 AM PST by Democratic-Republican
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To: central_va
How would anyone describe the folloing person:
1. Attended Ivy League School

Trump did graduate from the University of Pennsylvania, which is an Ivy League School.

137 posted on 01/22/2016 11:01:28 AM PST by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: Democratic-Republican

“...Your webcam must be turned off because I can’t see if you typed that sentence with a straight face ;-)...”

Yeah - I was debating with myself over including that one, but I figured in the interest of showing a bit of breadth... Eh... Why not.


138 posted on 01/22/2016 11:25:08 AM PST by jaydee770
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To: jaydee770

Thanks!!

And, good luck with yours! ;-)


139 posted on 01/22/2016 11:38:11 AM PST by Jane Long (Go Trump, go! Make America Safe Again :)
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To: hoosiermama

Wow. Now I know Trump is right for this time in our history.


140 posted on 01/22/2016 11:45:02 AM PST by BlackFemaleArmyColonel ("God only is my Rock and my Salvation; He is my Defence." (Psa 62:2))
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