Posted on 01/21/2016 5:31:08 AM PST by VitacoreVision
From the NC poll: 53% of GOP voters say someone born in another country should not be President.
PPP, a linked thread already posted today
That’s the point. Courts will probably say so. But the criticism wouldn’t skip a beat after such a ruling.
No, it is actually settled, only not in a court of law. The congress has the constitutional right to define citizenship and they have multiple times since the constitution was written. It will have to go to the SC so they, all being lawyers, can waddle thru the legalese in all the rule changes since 1790. Only then will the question finally be settled but for some reason I think Trump will figure out how to keep the subject on the front rumor page.
Correct. Absolutely correct, and critical as this debate goes along. It gets more complicated with children born in the US of non-citizens.
-- Natural born is not the same as naturalized. --
I'd put that in more definite and exclusionary form. Naturalized citizens cannot be natural born citizens.
This is a most exciting election silly season. I have never seen anything remotely close, in all of my life.
“We have a great defender of the Constitution, being killed by the Constitution which is only trotted out in this one particular instance. As soon as Cruz is gone, the rest of the Constitution will continue to be ignored.”
But perhaps the ‘tragedy of this generation’ is there is a direct possibility that millions of immigrants will be welcomed by the Dems in the next ensuing years . . ensuring a growing voting bloc for them . . forever. Total transformation of the America in which we grew up . . as Cruz’ eligibility could possibly usher in an amendment to the Constitution that will justify almost any person who is deemed an American ‘citizen’ can rise to the Presidency, with the help of millions of immigrants who can’t possibly be inherently loyal to America ONLY. Do you really want to open that door, start down that slippery slope, for your children and grandchildren?
Thanks....
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/north-carolina/
snip
Cruz does continue to be well positioned as the next in line should Trump falter. He’s
the most frequent second choice of GOP voters in the state with 18% to 12% for Rubio, and
11% for Trump. And specifically among Trump voters 25% say Cruz is their second choice to
13% for Carson with no one else in double digits. His birthplace does appear to be somewhat
of an issue though. 53% of GOP primary voters say someone born in another country should not
be allowed to serve as President, to only 28% who say they’re alright with that. Among that
group that doesn’t think someone foreign born should be allowed to hold the office, Trump leads
Cruz 52-4. And there’s still relatively limited awareness of Cruz’s birthplace- just 49% know he
was born outside the country to 27% who think he was born in the US and 25% who aren’t sure one
way or another about it. Cruz’s favorability has dropped from 61/26 to 55/28 in North Carolina
over the last month.
end snip
NC has it right.
Makes me glad I live here.
Considering Cruz has been a Canadian citizen until just mere MONTHS ago . . I seriously doubt she filed that paperwork before he turned 18 years old. Maybe thatâs why he wonât show it.
Additionally,
-Was he Foreign Student when he enrolled at Harvard?
-Did he register for the draft at age 18?
The question of Cruz being naturalized is totally settled by precedent, a body of precedent thousands of pages in length, and with 100% uniformity and agreement. This isn't some "tough" or "flexible" issue, like the extent of power enabled by the commerce clause. Naturalization is very much a cut-and-dry determination under the US constitution (no reference to Vattel, Blackstone, or anything else). Ignore precedent at your peril. In order to reverse the body of precedent, a Court, SCOTUS if you will, will have to hold that NBC includes "naturalized," opening the office to all citizens, regardless of the circumstances of their birth. SCOTUS would literally have to write NBC out of the constitution, without using the amendment process.
They could do that - SCOTUS is masters of deceit and dishonesty. But I really doubt they would want to taint the institution quite that badly. Most likely they refuse to take the issue. Chickens. Just as derelict as Congress.
That's a logical conclusion. What I can't fathom is why people who are supposed to be concerned about globalization don't seem to understand it.
Is NC winner take all delegate state?
whatever. he released it a long time ago.
If he had never been mentioned I wouldn't be questioning it now.
No, Ted Cruz is not a naturalized citizen. Never was, never will be. He was a natural born citizen according to the immigration laws at the time of his birth. This is where confusion comes from. Naturalization is what immigrants have gone thru and still do today and Cruz never had to.
Let’s just let the SC settle it then afterwards we can discuss the decision. Until then we are just swatting at each other flys.
I really like Cruz, we need him as president but I am not 100% convinced he is eligible. He only renounced his Canadian citizenship 2 years ago, in 2014. How can someone who has been a citizen of another country be president of this country?
Perhaps the above question can be answered in a way that makes it legally possible for Cruz to be president but the very fact that there is a question about it even though some may not consider it a legitimate question could lose him a lot of votes.
It didn't cost Obama votes because the press was on his side but in this round the press will do all they can to belittle any Republican or conservative candidates.
We just disagree. You go your way, I’ll go mine.
Congress did it for McCain only. S.Res.511 - A resolution recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen. Unless you have a link...
A resolution isn't binding, meaning it isn't a law.
I would support an amendment to make such a fine patriot eligibible.
Like I said, the SC will decide. We’ll meet up afterwards.
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