What Palin's Trump Speech Says About the State of the Conservative Movement

RushLimbaugh.com ^ | January 20, 2016 | Rush Limbaugh

[RginTN]

since Trump funded the Dem and GOP establishment which helped them get in power it will be a long fight for Conservatives to take power back from who Trump helped elect

[jimbo807]

George Will is a moron.

[doldrumsforgop]

Wow, that was an eloquent response.

Tells me a lot about you too.

[doldrumsforgop]

Also, read his response to me later on.

[jimbo807]

Let me expound. If the gop runs third party against Trump they will still lose, and destroy themselves.

Remember. He signed their pledge.

[deport]

Yep it will take some time as it didn’t get this way overnight nor will it be cleaned up
in one term. But electing someone who has been a part of the process most of their life sometimes
isn’t the best way to clean up a mess. You bring in someone new without ties to the
establisment and charge them with righting the ship. That is what we need today, imo.

Personally I’d like to see term limits on the entire Congress with something longer than
the president. Elected officials don’t need to be lifetime jobs, imo.

[CatherineofAragon]

Thoughts?

[doldrumsforgop]

“Let me expound. If the gop runs third party against Trump they will still lose, and destroy themselves.”

And let me expand: the GOP of the past decades has lost anyway, as the top two contenders are GOPe.

[CottonBall]

“Get in a room and negotiate crap.”

You are projecting.

Read The art of the deal. He says he aims high -band usually gets exactly what he wants.

OTOH you could have a negotiator like Cruz who can’t even get people to talk to him.

[3D-JOY]

Thanks Jim.

I listened today to Rush and got the same feeling as from reading this.

I do believe Conservative is an over-used and corrupted term. Too many people have used it to cover their real intentions with actions that are not “conservative” as we think of it.

Maybe a new term encompassing American( patriotic)- Constitutional (strict construction or legally amended) is needed. I have never been for a third party, but perhaps it is time for the Republican Party, which has left me, to be replaced.

[Mariner]

"Conservative says some will sacrifice Conservativism for slogans"

And some of us just want to throw the corrupt, putrid corpse over the side and wash down the deck.

Conservative Orthodoxy today is embodied in the philosophies and actions of the Republican party. Foreign wars with no strategic interest at stake, free trade with mercantilists who would never open their markets to us...and who pay $2/hr. A tax code designed to pick winners, and which lets large interests buy their own win of the Congressmen and Senators that write it. Pork. Bailouts. No borders. No deportations. No concern about cultural invasion. And a debt that will become catastrophe.

This is what Conservative Orthodoxy has become and it's high time we take it out back and shoot it.

[CottonBall]

“Cruz is consistent Conservative”

Not on illegal immigration, which is my #1 issue.

He’s handed out bears, been for legalization, been silent, condescendingly said Americans don’t want to have that conversation, won’t deport, then will deport, was against Prop 187, and now is copying Trump’s very conservative position.

Disingenuous.

[KC_Lion]

Thank You for the Ping Jim Robinson!

Ping to Sarah's List.

Rush Limbaugh's Take.

[Mariner]

"Trump represents a realignment of the political landscape. Coming out of his victory and successes there will be a new paradigm."

Correct.

[poconopundit]

...Cruz is the only real conservative here.   And I will certainly vote for him.   But Trump is offering us something that can't be ignored.   Trump is breaking through the corrupt media and the corrupt republican establishment.

Wonderful and balanced analysis and good comparison of Trump and Cruz's strengths.

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Let me pick up on your point and add some more thinking...

What does it take to lead the country and make America great again?

I think it boils down to leadership and excellence across three spheres:

• Policies -- Having the correct positions on where to move the country;
  
  
• Communications -- Influencing the country by the way you present and sell your ideas; and,
  
  
• Administration -- Managing the country and getting the biggest organization in the world (the U.S. federal government) to implement your policies.

OK, so let's break this down a little bit more.

Beginning with the Policies area.   This is the subject of most discussions on FR, in the media, and on conservative radio progams.

And people on FR argue back and forth who would be more conservative: Trump or Cruz.   And perhaps Cruz scores better on social issues.   Trump meanwhile scores higher on stopping illegal immigration.   And we could go right down the list of issues and compare their positions in all sorts of areas.

So who has the better or more conservative policies?   People on FR have debated that point for many, many months now and there is really no consensus.

But here's my point: policies — as vital as they are — are only one dimension out of three we need to have a successful president.

So let's now examine the Communications side of being a president.   Here I would point to three arenas of competence:

1. Communicating with the media;
   
   
2. Communicating with Congress; and,
   
   
3. Communicating directly with the people through TV, radio and social networks like Facebook and Twitter

Now I would argue that on all three of these fronts, Trump has a decided advantage over Cruz.

First of all, as you said very well, Trump is the master of communicating with the media.   Perhaps no one in the history of presidential elections has done better at working the media.

And in the second area — communicating with Congress — I think Cruz is a bit handicapped because he's burned a lot of bridges fighting the good fight with the GOPe.   And this was the subject of Peggy Noonan's column a few days ago.

And on the social media front, Trump is pretty far ahead of other candidates, I think.   Trump talks to his supporters multiple times per day on Twitter and has a huge following on both Twitter and Facebook.

Finally, Administration is probably Trump's stongest suit.   In fact, here's where Trump is holding four Aces while everybody else on the table only has a pair of 4's or 5's in their hand :- )

The guy owns and runs a company worth $10 billion.   And he's beholden to no one: it's his company.   He has no shareholders to please -- just customers.   And he has customers, a winery, hotels, and golf courses across the world.

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OK, to wrap this long-winded analysis up then.   I think what juices Trump supporters is this larger picture.   It's not just what policies Trump would pursue, but also how effective he is likely to be implementing them in a huge bureaucracy while the MSM, Congress, and foreign leaders are trying to block his every move.

It's a YUGE job!!   But when you look at the broader scope of what's meant by "presidential leadership", then Trump scores awfully high.

[Jane Long]

Better read up on George Will today as he floated that if no conservative is nominee, a 3rd party bid will be made.

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So, only Trump had to sign a pledge not to run third party?

[inpajamas]

In almost every state there is a “sore losers law”. Look it up. It says that after the first state primary (Iowa) anyone who was on the ballot is ineligible for a third party run. A third party run will need to be fresh blood or someone like Perry who dropped out before the first primary vote. Trump lost nothing by his agreement if he was not going to ditch the GOP before Iowa.

[navymom1]

I’ve been following Trump since last July and have yet to hear him promote single payer. It isn’t on his issues page either. So when he talks about getting rid of Obama Care, the precursor to single payer, I have to wonder where this idea comes from—if it is present day or years ago.

[WTFOVR]

So! YOU. STILL. DON’T. GET. IT!

You purists want nothing less than complete lock step with whatever each of YOU individually define conservatism to be.

You would have us all goose step to your tune - even while the country literally burns and collapses down around you - just as long as you can hold up your fist in defiance and rage on of your “purity” during the meltdown.

The total destruction of EVERYTHING we ever were or could ever hope to be, is but a minor thing; for you will happily perish in the flames, and gladly be reduced to ashes, because you can shout from your graves that never did you deviate in the slightest from your dogma ... Let the irony of your indifference forever echo above the chard destruction ...

Let the epitaph be chiseled into the cold granite of your monolithic stupidity:

“Here lies Conservatism - His prideful cause perished with his country, but at least he never gave one inch!”

And you, oh purist, with your willing accomplices, made damned sure that neither could any other, less you beat them into submission with mockery and calumny.

In your arrogance of certainty, you forgot one very important axiom of life - a tree that never bends in the wind, snaps.

The game is not about electing the the most conservative candidate ... The game is, and has always been about choosing the MOST ELECTABLE conservative candidate.

You do not get the “purist” candidate - because there is not one who can win a national election. No sane citizen of this Constitutional Representative Republic is so self-absorbed in their orthodoxy as to play the purist fiddle while the nation burns to the ground around them. We have a nation to save, and a Republic to restore - In that most gravest of causes, purity must take a back seat to the necessity of preservation.

We are now in a fight to the death with forces that mean to utterly destroy us, and all we have ever been. Let me remind you of those fateful words spoken in our past:

“... Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. ...” - Abraham Lincoln, The Gettysburg Address

We need ALL hands on deck - the purists and the not so pure; the ideologue and the pragmatist; Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Independent, man, woman, young, old - every one who believes in what this country stands for ... We need every creed, color, race and ethnicity who, at their very core, are AMERICANS FIRST - purity be damned.

Donald Trump is not a straight down the list “pure” conservative - but then neither is Senator Ted Cruz, his protests to the contrary notwithstanding ... In fact, I doubt you will ever find such a one standing among us, because we each hold to a different idea of what defines that moniker of “conservative” - and that IS the point that Governor Palin was making in her endorsement speech.

On the other hand, the enemy we face is very “pure” - and very focused on one singular evil goal - our utter destruction ... He is the Dragon of fascist governance - call the beast “Smog” if you please, and ourselves the Hobbits. This entrenched and most powerful adversary desires that our rugged individualism, that guiding spirit which beats in every American heart, be burned out of existence and replaced with subservient collectivism ...

And those individuals, who demand nothing but “ideological purity,” are helping this adversary achieve his goal.

In this, our hour of trial, we need a champion - more than a Bilbo Baggins, we need a Braveheart ... We need a leader - one who will exploit the Dragon’s weakness, see the chink in his armor, and let fly the arrow of liberty ... Thus to slay the Dragon ... Not merely for the purists, but for all Americans - red, white and blue.

[napscoordinator]

Honestly how much more liberal can this country go? In 8 years we have become almost 90 percent more liberal then when Obama started. You think Trump can do worse? I am sorry I really am but this election is about national security. If we are all dead, what the hack matters about anything else.

Trump is not PC. Trump wants to get rid of nasty immigration types

Trump wants to build a wall

Trump will put justices on the court that are not Bernie and Hillary picks.

That alone is why I want Trump. I mean we had Reagan and what did we get out of abortion from him? Nada. Reagan of all people could have totally stopped every abortion but it didn’t happen. Heck we have had better results with Obama (not because of him). So nothing is in stone and I tell you I want our country proud again and the only one to do that is Trump.