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To: presidio9
This is simply not true. We know that Cruz and Rubio have advocated for a border wall. I believe Bush has too.

They said it. Do you actually believe Rubio and Bush would do it? Governor "Act of Love" and Senator "Support Amnesty or You're a Racist"? I sure as hell don't.

he has also said that they can return -which is still amnesty.

Depends on how he lets them in. If there's no screening whatsoever and we rubber stamp anyone/everyone who floods through his big, beautiful wall, then, yes. Does that sound like the likely course of action?

But there is nothing to suggest that he will be any better at solving our immigration or national security problems than either of his other two main competitors.

No, but there's nothing to suggest that he'd be any worse than the clown show running the place for the last few decades either.

To me, all of this finger pointing and demonization of individual candidates seems a lot like tribalism.

In some cases. Some folks have genuine reasons for disliking particular candidates. Is it tribalism to understand who and what Lindsey Graham is and call him as such? Bush and Rubio have shown us who they are on numerous occasions; they are known quantities, and I don't believe they're worth the effort to stand in line and vote. Cruz is OK, but he's basically the right-wing Obama. He has very little experience, he's hell on wheels when he speaks (especially in debates, his true medium), and he thinks tactically rather than strategically which is why he has no influence left in the Senate. I don't buy the "birther" thing, but I've seen that issue hotly debated here for years, so I don't care if people raise it in public.

Trump is very much a flawed man, but he's a fascinating candidate with a hell of a lot of practical experience running a massive organization and doing it well.

84 posted on 01/20/2016 5:46:04 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater
All of the accusations you are making against other candidates are equally applicable to Donald Trump. The only difference being that with Trump you don't want them to be true, so you seem to ignore them.

Look, I'm not telling you not to vote for Trump. I still might vote for him myself. On a selfish level, he is easily the candidate who would be most useful to me personally in the White House.

But that's what interests me about this this conversation. What I want to know from you is if your main interest is the destruction of the GOP Establishment (a term that does not accurately apply to either of Trump's two main challengers -no matter how much you would like it to) or the insurance that Hillary Clinton not be our next president. None of the useful arguments that you have made for Trump thus far seem to be both unique to him and definitely based on fact.

Nevertheless, I am enjoying this conversation and I am learning from it. I hope you don't think I am trying to pick a fight with you. As I said, it is entirely likely that I will end up voting for Trump (though for very different reasons from you, I think), but it is still not clear to me what motivates the rabid Trump supporter.

Thanks.

85 posted on 01/20/2016 6:46:29 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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