Posted on 01/19/2016 8:55:20 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
Well, he can RUN, however SERVING is where he would need to be legally eligible. :)
“Trump knew EXACTLY what he was doing. ..”
Yes he did, and he CLAIMED it was to help Ted Cruz. What a phony Donald Trump is.
“....then the Supreme Court could be called upon to answer the question. ..”
Would this be the same Supreme Court which gave us UNconstitutional rulings, like abortion, same-sex “marriage,” eminent domain, etc..
NO THANKS.
But this is a direct quote from Ted Cruz in Aug 2013,
“As you know, I was born in Canada. My mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of my birth. She was a U.S. citizen from birth so, under U.S. law, I’m an American citizen by birth.” “Beyond that,” he added, “I will leave the legal consequences of those facts to others to worry about.”
I had seen him say that, or nearly exactly that, on camera. It’s ambiguous on the one part of the statement, and dismissive on the other. Especially since he later made the claim that it is “settled law”.
I have friends in law enforcement at a high level.
It is NOT out of the ordinary to hold evidence in abeyance for several years until the circumstances for clear and complete follow through come to fruition,
I would NOT be surprised that , if elected, Trump, along with Sheriff Arpaio brought forth the evidence so as to make it VERY EASY to overturn EVERY SINGLE executive order written by Obozo.
If they wre really hell bent on revenge they might ALSO prosecute the former usurper-in-chief.
It is not nonsense and it is not going away.
As I stated in post #23 (I'm assuming that is the post that you're referring to), and I'm going to type this real slowly, multiple people right here on FR have stated that they would be alright with Trump becoming dictator if that's what it would take for him to accomplish his stated agenda.
No mind reading necessary. After reading those posts I've parted ways with the Trumpbots; y'all is crazy.
Many I know say that we've already allowed a MUSLIM to become president.. are we NEXT going to allow a Canadian to govern us?
It's too late. You're right, .. the milk has been spilled.
Those who have a question about Cruz’s eligibility for POTUS need to address a court.......or shut the hell up.
His comments demonstrate a dismissive attitude and lack of due diligence.
“”” Do mean Sheriff Joe who said he had all the goods on obama and was set to make a major announcement... like two years ago????
I have friends in law enforcement at a high level.
It is NOT out of the ordinary to hold evidence in abeyance for several years until the circumstances for clear and complete follow through come to fruition,
I would NOT be surprised that , if elected, Trump, along with Sheriff Arpaio brought forth the evidence so as to make it VERY EASY to overturn EVERY SINGLE executive order written by Obozo.
If they wre really hell bent on revenge they might ALSO prosecute the former usurper-in-chief. “””
That could be but I won’t hold my breath waiting for it to happen. I have heard so many stories from Joe, Issa, Gowdy etc. that all claim to have the real thing and when they release it all hell will break loose that I don’t believe any of it anymore. When you add to that the fact that the uniparty doesn’t want to do anything about it we get what we have now.
I don’t see that as problematic at all. Cruz doesn’t want us talking about that all the time; Trump DOES. Even though Trump HIMSELF said Cruz was a Natural Born Citizen, now that Cruz is doing so well, Trump is putting doubts in people’s minds. DIRTY POLITICS by Trump.
I, too, am disappointed. Would a true conservative jeopardize the nation is such a manner? Surely he **knows** that the Marxo-Demo-Proggies will use his questionable eligibility at an optimal time to inflict maximum damage on the Republicans.
Cruz's actions are the behavior of an ambitious opportunist and weasel.
Does Cruz seriously believe that the Founders would consider a person Natural Born who was born in a foreign country, lived there several years, did not renounce his foreign citizenship until the moment he chose to run for president,was born to an American woman who **voted** in foreign elections, and whose father was Cuban?
Unbelievable!
The **last** person I would want for an enemy is Trump!
However, Trump does not, and never has, claimed to be a expert on the Constitution, nor is he a lawyer, Constitutional or otherwise. Cruz does make that claim. When Cruze does deign to speak on the topic, he has said it’s “settled law”. Well that came, of course after he said he’d “leave the legal consequences up to others to worry about.”
In fact he first claimed, in 2013, that he DIDN’T KNOW he had Canadian citizenship. Didn’t know? How on earth could he not know? He is an attorney, right? He had his Canadian birth certificate. And there is the Princeton collage friend that Ted discussed his dual-citizenship with. That friend went on record with the story that Ted declared as a dual citizen at the Canadian border on one visit the friends took into Canada. Ted had never refuted that story. So none of this adds up in a straight line.
It’s what we’re stuck with for the time being until they are term limited.
True.
[[The SCOTUS has in fact dealt with natural born citizenship in Minor v. Happersett (1874), and in that case they defined it as born in the U.S. to citizens.]]
So trump isn’t eligible because only one parent was a citizen?
Both of Trump’s parents were citizens at the time of his birth.
That's just an emotional rant which doesn't get anywhere in terms of the discourse.
There is no controlling authority on the question of what constitutes a natural born citizen under Article II, Sec. 1; the Supreme Court decides on the facts presented whether or not the individual is eligible.
And the Court, as a general interpretative proposition ignores legislative history in favor of its own reading of the words on the paper.
There is no doubt that there is momentum to expressly modify the Constitution to define who meets the test. At present, the general direction of the media and the academics is that a nationalist US definition is no longer appropriate in our global world environment. That view is driven by Liberal support for the guy in the White House who is not eligible by any definition. If the Liberals get their guy to impose an unconstitutional culture on America, I get my guy to unravel it. Although I could be persuaded Trump might do it; I believe Cruz, if elected, would do it.
That may or may not be a majority view in the country--most of America thinks Judge Judy is on the Supreme Court; people don't really have a clue what is involved.
As a general proposition, I probably would be fairly close to your view--born in the geographical territory of the admitted states. But in the case of Cruz, I think he is probably the best quality candidate for President so I hope he is not held ineligible.
As to what the founders might have thought, their legislative drafting could have been a much better job--on the commerce clause; the second amendment; and maybe the first amendment too. The legal work was poorly done.
However the Court ignores the history of various clauses in favor its own reading of the words. The only specific reliable legislative history on the provision is a letter from John Jay to George Washington which probably supports the born in the admitted states interpretation; certainly specifically in the case of Canada.
In this case, that won't carry the day I don't think. But it is a close call which could have been addressed and resolved by Cruz in the last twelve to fifteen months in which everyone on our side was attempting to sweep the issue under the rug.
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