Posted on 01/18/2016 8:21:28 PM PST by SeekAndFind
While the nation's legal scholars differ over the exact meaning of the Constitution's requirement that a person must be a "natural born citizen" to become president, they're unanimous in saying Ted Cruz is wrong about an important point.
"As a legal matter, the question is quite straightforward and settled law," Cruz has said. "People will continue to make political noise about it, but as a legal matter it is quite straightforward.
In fact, the experts say, it is neither settled nor straightforward.
It's not settled -- because the Constitution does not define "natural born," a phrase that appears in the nation's founding document only once.
And though the federal courts have chewed on it from time to time, the U.S. Supreme Court has never officially said what it means.
It's not straightforward -- because at the time the Constitution was written there were different ideas about what the phrase meant and competing legal theories about where the power to confer citizenship came from.
The meaning of the term is so unsettled that scores of constitutional experts have been writing about it in the weeks since Donald Trump made it an issue in the 2016 campaign.
(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...
“Settled. Nonissue.”
Un, settled and nonissue for everyone except for half of Republican voters:
“Why doesn’t the Donald sue and have the court slap him down?”
Answer: He doesn’t need too. Half of Republican voters already think Cruz is unqualified to run or are not sure:
End of story for Ted Cruz.
The FS-240 was just a form like a birth certificate so your child could get a passport, the fact that you were a US Citizen when he was born is what made him a citizen. The full title is Department of State - Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States. It does not confer citizenship it merely reports it.
Thanks.
The operative word for the FS-240 is “Should” the reason being that it makes it easier for the parents to get his passport, but a passport can be obtained by presenting other documents. Birth Certificates, Passports etc..
Yup. And it’s amazing how many Constitution lawyers we have here. Seriously, Ted needs to make and appointment with the guys in black ropes and get a permission slip. Otherwise this argument will never go away.
“Answer - he doesn’t like to waste money and his attorneys already told him Cruz is a naturally born citizen.”
It is not possible for Ted Cruz to be a natural born citizen, because his U.S. citizenship was acquired by using the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952 to authorize his naturalization at birth. Ted Cruz is a naturalized U.S. citizen. Arnold Scwarzenegger is a naturalized U.S. citizen. Arnold Schwarzeneggar is not eligible to be POTUS. Ted Cruz is a narualized U.S. citizen, so he too is not eligible to be POTUS.
Seriously?
No. Nobody has yet seen a long form birth certificate for Obama.
Trump forced them to post a photoshopped image on the web, but even their forgery was a typed short-form document. There has been no legitimate birth certificate produced for the man in the White House.
No way would that forgery stand up in court. Would that all the Cruz speculation would somehow draw Obama’s eligibility back into the discussion and into court.
That can't happen..It's a bogus idea.
I have two children who were born in Berlin, Germany while I was stationed there, it sounds like you were there in the Military, I don’t think our children should be stripped of natural rights because we were under orders serving our country. When you talked about your son having to renounce his dual citizenship, I looked it up. It seems mine are still dual citizens because they haven’t renounced. I never considered it, that’s why I believe Cruz when he says he didn’t know, I never received anything that informed me that said hey your child’s 18 time to declare.
That is not the case and why we are here arguing this..
Yup.....exactly..
Under my interpretation and that of many others, your kids are natural born.
That is, assuming you were.
“That is not the case and why we are here arguing this..”
That is a denial of the previously quoted legal statutes, and you provided no support for your denial whatsoever, making it a baseless denial.
Nothing is sealed. He renounced his Canadian Citizen Ship publicly and in writing to the Canadian Government. Please cite to me what is sealed.
You have no legal statutes to prove your point.
This is a constitutional argument.
It’s only valid if your assertion about Cruz’s status is valid. And it is not.
It’s one of a number of interpretations,,
BTW, I have no intent to carry this further. I have said all I will say, and this matter will not be taken up by SCOTUS.
“Under my interpretation and that of many others, your kids are natural born.”
Any child born abroad in a foreign jurisdiction and sovereignty without being shielded by diplomatic immunity is born with alien allegiance, and when a child of a U.S. parent, the child may elect to adopt or not to adopt the right to be naturalized at birth by the authority of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Act.
Wrong...
nuff said...
So the spin will continue till the end of our Republic.
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