Rick Santorum: Ted Cruz 'Misinforming The Public' Saying 'Natural Born' Citizen Issue 'Settled Law'

Breitbart ^ | 13 Jan 2016 | Alex Swoyer

[Red Steel]

GOP presidential candidate former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum says that fellow GOP candidate Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) is "misinforming the public" about him being a "natural born" citizen and eligible to run for President of the United States.

The Des Moines Register's politics reporter Jennifer Jacobs posted on Twitter:

Ted Cruz is "misinforming the public" by saying "natural born" issue is "settled law," Rick Santorum says in Iowa. Supreme Court must rule. -Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) January 13, 2016

[Ray76]

Please provide a specific cite.

[grania]

Exactly.

[driftdiver]

Read this - http://harvardlawreview.org/2015/03/on-the-meaning-of-natural-born-citizen/

[Ray76]

Read the statute itself, read the entire history of U.S. naturalization statutes, read the precedents in Bellei and in Minor, read the dicta in Ark, the exemplar case of Churchill, all of which show that he is a citizen by statute, i.e. a naturalized citizen, and not eligible to be President.

[Fiji Hill]

No “solid conservative” would ever campaign for Barack Obama as Ted Cruz has.

When did Ted Cruz campaign for Barack Obama?

[BlackElk]

I am a traditionalist Roman Catholic with the Tridentine Mass and all the trappings. Ted Cruz is a member of the Southern Baptist Convention. While his denomination and mine have recently shared a fair number of social issue positions, no one knowledgeable would confuse Catholicism and the Baptist faith.

Secondly, just when do you fantasize that ed Cruz campaigned for Obozo. Trump is a careerist self-promotion artist and how conservative HE is depends on HIS own financial interests. If you disagree, then explain the conservatism of his $50,000 donation to Mitch McConnell's Senate re-nomination in 2014. Isn't Mitchie the king of all special interests in the Senate? How about the large donation to that renowned conservative: Chicago Mayor Rahm Emmanuel, Obozo's original Chief of Staff.

Are you sure you are not in over your head here?

Does the fact that Ted Cruz is sincerely religious bothering you? It makes him more trustworthy to actual pro-lifers and other social conservatives but maybe that makes you uncomfortable.

Before blathering on without an issue arrow in your quiver, be sure to specifically cite any instance of Ted Cruz "campaign(ing) for Barack Obama."

[driftdiver]

uh no, he didn’t go through the naturalization process yet he is a citizen.

Therefor he is a natural born citizen. He inherited his mothers citizenship at birth. The same as anyone else who has a American citizen as a parent.

[Ray76]

Naturalization statutes can require any process or none, any retention requirements or none, include certain classes of persons or exclude them.

Congressional grants are naturalization.

[Ray76]

A person born out of the jurisdiction of the United States can only become a citizen by being naturalized

either by 

    treaty, as in the case of the annexation of foreign territory, 

or by 

    authority of congress, exercised 
	
    either by 
	
        declaring certain classes of persons to be citizens, as in the enactments conferring citizenship upon foreign-born children of citizens, 
	
    or by 

        enabling foreigners individually to become citizens by proceedings in the judicial tribunals, as in the ordinary provisions of the naturalization acts.

U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 702-703

[visually_augmented]

I’m not a Trump supporter and would never vote for the guy. But long ago, I have been skeptical of Cruz’z NBC qualifications. If you want, I can indicate proof by referring to comments I had made long before Trump entered the arena. Many here on FR legitimately question Cruz in this regard. I actually think Cruz may be the best of those still left in the race but if he is not qualified, it is a moot point.

Donald Trump (and Rick Santorum, in this case) are merely those brave enough to raise the issue because it truly is not settled.

I suggest you are much too thin skinned if you interpret any challenge against your candidate as a “liberal” ideology. Although this seems to be typical of FR posters these days. Personally, I expect this response more from Trump supporters...

[csivils]

I have a question, I’m not going to argue. I honestly wish to know your answer:

What happens if Senator Cruz wins the nomination and then loses a NBC court challenge? (Is the answer different after the election). My understanding is that the party still won and we would still get a Republican president. Would it be the VP, or could the GOPe get its dream of president Yeb! Or something else altogether?

[Just mythoughts]

Natural born can only be pass on by citizen father...Harvard law schooled Cruz knows what the “ original intent” means... He is trying to exempt himself. Cruz’s father was not even an American citizen when Cruz was born in Canada.

[driftdiver]

The father requirement was changed. Its mother or father. His mother was a citizen at his birth.

[AFret.]

bzzzt wrong

He was given a birth certificate at birth because his mother was a citizen.

Of course I could trust your interpretation over the opinion of several Constitutional legal scholars. I think I’ll go with someone who knows which way is up.

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If Ted has a US birth certificate, where is it, and why is he hiding it?
I read the CRBA pamphlet yesterday, very illuminating, (google it). Mom had to report to the consulate in person to obtain the CRBA, which then is used to create the birth documents, as directed by statute. Ray76 has it right.

[driftdiver]

The nomination? That only determines the partys candidate.

If it was determined he could not be President for any reason after the election the the VP would be President.

[csivils]

Unless you can point to a line in the constitution, a court case or legislation, you are just repeating your opinion.

Even a court case can be a stretc since a justice won’t always apply it how you think it should be applied.

[driftdiver]

Keep trying, but I’m done with you. Nothing will convince you. You’re just like those global warming whackos.

[Cboldt]

-- What happens if Senator Cruz wins the nomination and then loses a NBC court challenge? --

The details depend on exactly when the revelation occurs.

After nomination-before-general: Party names a replacement, generally party leaders in a closed room meeting. New person's name is on the ballot, if there is enough time.

After the general, but before the electoral votes are transmitted to Congress: Party chooses a substitute, electors transmit ballots with substitute's name to Congress

After Congress chooses a president-elect, but before inauguration: Election goes to the House. I have no clue if the party can toss in a new name at this point, I think not. 20th amendment says VP-elect gets the post. 3 USC says what to do if neither qualifies

-- could the GOPe get its dream of president Yeb! --

Anything happening before electoral ballots are transmitted to Congress is an opening for Jeb. After the ballots are transmitted to Congress, the choices are, I think, limited to the names on the electoral ballots, and 3 USC.

Point of reference, if you are old enough, is Agnew resigns, Nixon names Ford, Nixon resigns, Ford is unelected president. After inauguration, that's how it goes.

I think GOPe planned all along to take Cruz out at the convention, and use his delegates for Jeb or Rubio or some other establishment hack. No court case needed, the GOP has the authority, on its own, to disqualify Cruz.

[driftdiver]

A whole pamphlet, oh my gosh you are the expert. never mind listening to the legal scholars who have studied law for years and practiced in this area. you read a pamphlet!!!!!

His mother filed the CRBA.

[BlackElk]

Oh, and I have been defense attorney for 1130 pro-lifers arrested in incidents in Connecticut (before retiring to Illinois), mostly charged with felonies for flooding into the abortion mills, occupying the killing chambers, resisting police efforts to remove them, de-sterilizing anything and everything in sight, breaking raw eggs into the suction machines and generally putting any abortion mill so treated out of its grisly business for longer than it took to get the clients released from pre-trial detention. About 30 were convicted of anything, most of the non-criminal equivalent of a parking ticket and a handful convicted of low level trespasses. According to Planneed Butcherhood's Alan Guttmacher Institute (a "research" 501(c)(3)organization) claimed that fully 1 out of 3 babies scheduled to be slaughtered on the days of such incidents at the abortion mills affected would NOT be aborted. What were YOU doing during that war, Lodi90?

I trust Cruz on the babies and I don't trust Trump who was supporting partial birth abortion when I was tying up prosecutors in court in defense of pro-lifers. I may have to vote for Trump if he is nominated but he has a long way to go to gain my trust on a wide variety of bedrock conservative causes. Conservatism is a LOT MORE than just a wall. I do trust him on the gun issues.

Conservatism is a magnificent tapestry ajnd an unexplored location for Trump.

One more thing: I have been a state chairman of Young Americans for Freedom, American Conservative Union, Young Republicans, College Republicans, a major participant in two campaigns, one (1971) successful and one (1991) not successful to resist imposition of a state income tax in Connecticut, and along the way was a Republican nominee for Congress and, most of all, served as Connecticut chairman of Ronald Reagan's challenge to the spineless, feckless brain dead servant of Wall Street Gerald Ford in 1976. My support for Ted Cruz is based upon my lifetime and his of conservatism, all of conservatism, and not just the wall.

Since YOU raised the question of my motivation and I have posted my resume, I don't suppose you are likely to post YOUR resume. I did not think so.