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The case for getting rid of the requirement that the president must be a “natural born citizen”
The Washington Post ^ | 1/14/2016 | Ilya Somin

Posted on 01/17/2016 4:37:25 PM PST by BlackFemaleArmyColonel

In recent weeks, much time and effort has been devoted to debating whether Ted Cruz is a "natural born citizen" eligible for the presidency. Whichever way you come down on this question of constitutional interpretation, the real lesson of this debate should be the absurdity of excluding naturalized citizens from the presidency in the first place. Categorically excluding immigrants from the presidency is a form of arbitrary discrimination based on place of birth (or, in a few cases, parentage), which is ultimately little different from discrimination on the basis of race or ethnicity. Both ethnicity and place of birth are morally arbitrary characteristics which do not, in themselves, determine a person's competence or moral fitness for high political office.

The "natural born" citizen requirement was originally inserted into the Constitution because some of the Founders feared that European royalty or nobles might move to the United States, get elected to the presidency, and then use the office to advance the interests of their houses. Whatever the merits of this concern back in the 1780s, it is hardly a plausible scenario today.

One can argue that immigrants have less knowledge of the country and its customs, and might make worse presidents for that reason. But that problem is surely addressed by the constitutional requirement that a candidate for president must have been resident in the United States for at least fourteen years. As a practical matter, anyone who attains the political connections and public recognition needed to make a serious run for the presidency is likely to have at least as much knowledge of the US and American politics as most serious native-born candidates do.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: canadian; ineligible; naturalborncitizen
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To: PLMerite

However it works out, so long as it clarifies the requirements so that we don’t have to waste so much time and effort over something like this.


181 posted on 01/17/2016 5:35:49 PM PST by Oceander
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To: Mollypitcher1

Ironic isn’t it ?


182 posted on 01/17/2016 5:37:32 PM PST by hoosiermama (Make America Great Again by uniting Great Americans)
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To: Paladin2

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I think your mom just called...


183 posted on 01/17/2016 5:37:40 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: BlackFemaleArmyCaptain

So, should the eligibility for president of Earth be that they were born here and are human?

What if it’s a Borg?


184 posted on 01/17/2016 5:38:09 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Or the option that is in play now.

Can't render a decision before the election because it isn't an issue/ripe yet.
Can't render a decision after the election because it would upset the political process.

Catch-22

185 posted on 01/17/2016 5:38:15 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: BenLurkin

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There are only two candidates in this election whose loyalty is questionable:

Trump and Bush.
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186 posted on 01/17/2016 5:39:39 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: lucky american

BOTH of McCaine’s parents were Americans. That is not true of Cruz.


187 posted on 01/17/2016 5:40:09 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: UCANSEE2

Still has the same meaning. Unfortunate typo, and spell check is hunky-dory with it. Probably better to be neutered, although the thought of that sends a chill up my spine too.


188 posted on 01/17/2016 5:41:43 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: RummyChick

I don’t know where Princess Talita Natasha and Prince Tassilo Egon Maximilian von Fürstenberg were born but it doesn’t matter. Mom was an American citizen...so they both can run for POTUS thanks to Cruz.


189 posted on 01/17/2016 5:42:33 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

I don’t know where Princess Talita Natasha and Prince Tassilo Egon Maximilian von Fürstenberg were born but it doesn’t matter. Mom was an American citizen...so they both can run for POTUS thanks to Cruz.


190 posted on 01/17/2016 5:42:34 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: Cboldt
"I could see this argument coming from a mile away-----Cruz is the vehicle to eliminate the "injustice of the NBC requirement".

Oh, at least a mile away. If he's a smart as his supporters believe, he did too. Speaks volumes.

191 posted on 01/17/2016 5:42:49 PM PST by moehoward
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To: Oceander

Puhleeze. Someone who naturalizes has displayed a whole hell of a lot more loyalty to this country than some native-born whose loyalty has never been put to the test.
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Yeah, like Cruz’s father who played musical chairs? First he swore allegience to Canada then decades later swore allegience to the US. Yeah un huh! BULL!

What’s that old saying about the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree?


192 posted on 01/17/2016 5:43:03 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Leo Carpathian
That will be ignored by those wanting their particular ineligible to get a pass.
193 posted on 01/17/2016 5:44:03 PM PST by ASA Vet (Jus Soli + Jus Sanguinis = NBC)
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To: Washi

He is not a natural citizen, he is a citizen by statute,


194 posted on 01/17/2016 5:44:29 PM PST by JayGalt
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To: moehoward

He knew, and he knows. And yes, it does say something. But who is the wiser? It’s a really well-oiled con.


195 posted on 01/17/2016 5:45:01 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Mollypitcher1

If you really loved this country, you’d realize that he figured out which was the better country and moved accordingly.

I guess you just don’t love this country that much.


196 posted on 01/17/2016 5:45:06 PM PST by Oceander
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To: Oceander
So you think the stupid nonsense about is Cruz, or isn’t Cruz, is just perfectly crystal clear?

No, I see you as a progressive who wants to change the constitution to suit your whims.....and now you want to change the subject because you got caught by me and others on this thread.

197 posted on 01/17/2016 5:45:20 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of Socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: miss marmelstein

He wasn’t first. Chester A Arthur was.


198 posted on 01/17/2016 5:46:31 PM PST by ASA Vet (Jus Soli + Jus Sanguinis = NBC)
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To: BlackFemaleArmyCaptain

So...those against it should try to change it. The process for that is laid out right there in the constitution.


199 posted on 01/17/2016 5:46:50 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: Wissa; UCANSEE2; humblegunner
To: UCANSEE2
Is the profanity necessary ?

He's allowed to do it because he helps a lot with the FReepathons.

45 posted on 01/17/2016 4:54:28 PM PST by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: Wissa

Somehow that seems counter-productive.

60 posted on 01/17/2016 4:58:12 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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Beats me. I'll just say the insults with no repercussions was a factor in me no longer contributing to the site.

by Wissa (Gone Galt)


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Just to set the record straight, humblegunner has received suspensions, and while he regularly BUMPS our FReepathon threads, he is not a member of Jim's FReepathon Team.

I am guessing that his off-color remark to BFAC didn't get an abuse report until I filed one just NOW.

It's really a simple thing to do.

Rather surprising to withhold donations over another FReeper .... yet still post here ...

200 posted on 01/17/2016 5:47:00 PM PST by onyx (HAVE YOU MADE YOUR DONATION to OUR FReep-a-Thon? PLEASE MAKE IT TODAY!)
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