Hey clown, why don't you just do it? The case has no merit. It will go nowhere fast. The US Supreme Court won't touch it with 10 floor barge pole. How did all them countless birther law suits against Obama end up?
Posted on 01/17/2016 12:48:44 PM PST by jimbo123
Donald Trump unloaded on Sen. Ted Cruz, saying, "I'd do the public a big favor" by suing Cruz over his eligibility to be president.
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Stephanopoulos then said, "But you know, the person who sued him probably doesn't have standing, a lot of legal scholars-." Trump interrupted, saying, "That's all right. There will be a lot of people who sue him who do have standing."
"Say you have standing, why don't you file the case," Stephanopoulos asked. Trump responded, "Oh that's an interesting case. Wow that sounds like a very good case. I'd do the public a big favor."
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Stephanopoulos then asked Trump if he was going to put his money where his mouth is, and Trump said, "Well it's a good idea. Maybe I'll talk to them about it. I'd like to talk to Ted about it, see how he'd feel about it. Cause you know, when I file suits, I file real suits okay."
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Where is the definition of Citizen in the Constitution?
Art IV, Sec. 2, and 14th amendment.
So says the clinton donor
Come on Trumpy...do it.... talk is cheap. He doesn’t have the cajones ccause he knows he’d lose and look even more stupid
And then allow them return.
I trust no liberal, and I certainly do not trust liberal Donald Trump.
Article IV, section 2 refers to a citizen, but does not really define one.
The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states.
A person charged in any state with treason, felony, or other crime, who shall flee from justice, and be found in another state, shall on demand of the executive authority of the state from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the state having jurisdiction of the crime.
:-)
How does that not define citizen of the US? And what about the 14th amendment? A person is either born in the US or naturalized in the US (plus subject to the jurisdiction).
If a person is the citizen of a state, he is a citizen of the US. Some people are born citizens of a state. They are born citizens of the US at the same time by operation of the constitution, and simultaneously, born in the US (and subject to the jurisdiction - this is the "anti-anchor-baby" part, or should be) so 14th amendment citizen of the US. The only other option is naturalized. That's Cruz.
Exactly Wild guy...
This is why - if Trump does not proceed about taking
Cruz to court on this issue - then it proves to me that he is all BS Talk with no actual action.
Just a lot of hot air...
Hey clown, why don't you just do it? The case has no merit. It will go nowhere fast. The US Supreme Court won't touch it with 10 floor barge pole. How did all them countless birther law suits against Obama end up?
truth_seeker wrote:
“There is no legal precedent, for we have not had a President born outside the US.”
The “proof” the current _res__ent posted on the white house web site is fake, he can’t prove he —was— born in the US.
Therefore he was born outside the US.
That’s what’s messing this whole thing up, nobody back then challenged the _res__ent in the right venue, at the right time.
Now we have a similar case; the only differences are the ages of the moms and the US statuses of the dads.
One mom too young to convey US citizenship, the other mom old enough.
One dad just “passing through” and never a US resident, the other dad a resident/green card holder/asylee.
Almost Hoosiermama. Obama was born a citizen of the British Commonwealth, and confirmed that on his on web site. While I doubt that Obama will produce is British citizenship documents. By British law, Obams was born a “natural born subject of the British Commonwealth, eligible to be an MP, which naturalized British subjects are not. That is the sort of entanglement which was only one of the reasons our framers had the wisdom to require, though only for our presidency, being born on our soil to parents who, in spite of Ted Cruz’ sad, sad for a “brilliant” constitutional scholar, who claimed that the parents of a natural born citizen must have been natural born.
Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325, (1939), is the first case that comes to mind, but there are probably many. Marie Elg was born to naturalized Swedish parents in New York during the depression. Dad was offered a job in Sweden. Demonstrating his natural affinity for his birthplace, he give up his U.S. citizenship to return to Sweden. After settling, he wss followed by his wife, and of course, little Marie, toddler. When Marie approached adulthood, majority, she decided to return to HER birthplace. She was told she was not a citizen, and could apply for naturalization. A case was file against the Attorney General, which went to the supreme court. The decision, Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes in 1939 (whose own flirt with natural born citizen is relevant, but left for another thread) was that Marie was born a natural born citizen; Citizenship granted by God cannot be denied by man (Congress and naturalization law). Marie, if she so chose, could, after 14 years residence and reaching the age of 35, is eligible to our presidency.
Marie’s father returned to his birth home. Marie returned to hers. These are the less tangible truths addressed by “natural law”. They are no guarantees that a Billie Ayres, natural born, will demonstrate allegiance to the country of his birth, but it is a natural tendency for a child to reflect the allegiances of his parents, the “Dreams from my Father”. It is a natural tendency for a person to have an allegiance to his place of birth. For just our president our framers felt it wise to require both conditions for just our president.
Might Cruz, knowing he had no chance of winning, be inspiring citizens to actually read about our history, and not be so vulnerable as we were when Obama replaced Hillary? Might Levin be doing the same - citing law that was immediately rescinded, the 1790 Naturalization Act; also claiming that U.S. Code defined natural born citizenship? Think of how many now know something about our legal structure because Cruz, Levin and many others are blatantly misstating our written foundations? Almost every “fact” cited by Cruz about natural born citizenship in the last “debate” was a distortion of written law, Constitutional or Congressional. Might Cruz be conducting a class on our legal foundations that would be listened to because of political differences?
Loretta won’t be talking.
Trump should sue both Cruz and Rubio, since they each have different scenarios.
He would indeed be doing the public a huge favor by getting these eligibility questions resolved.
All kabuki. Just setting the characters and initial plot.
Wait till second act.
Frmail on way
That was my original belief about our young Mr. Cruz, too, but I now think my first impressions were mistaken. As it is now with "Ted Cruz for President", I just don't know enough to place a decent bet on Ted Cruz at this point.
However, he has incredible potential and, like everyone else, he is a work in progress.
He wanted a shot at something, and he has placed himself or been placed upon a much greater and taller stage, and in a much brighter spotlight, than I would have chosen for myself.
I can't relate to any of that at my current level. I like fortune, but notoriety and fame? Not so much...
Personally, I only ask that we all pray for his guidance to follow the right path and that we forgive his missteps, just as we pray for our own guidance and for our being forgiven.
His story is still being written. I hope that he makes it a GREAT one!
Personally, I still hope he is the Constitutional warrior I originally had believed him to be.
However, that's not who/what he is in his current role. He's the opposite.
Or he found it and was told by his sister colleague , Sam Alito to run for office so he would have standing.
Grania,
Being accepted as true doesn’t mean it is.
O posted a fake doc on the white house web site, and hasnt shown a genuine one since; therefore he can’t prove he was born here.
The mom’s residence in the US at the time of the kids birth had to be 5 years after the age of 14.
In 0’s moms case she was only 18.
No way is 0 a US citizen, much less natural born.
Cruz’ mom was well older than 19 when Ted was born; thus he got US citizenship thru his mom. It remains to be seen if he’s natural born though.
Dear Trump,
Put up or shut up.
Sincerely,
Me
We’ll see.
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