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To: austinaero

I said today that as a guy who at this point supports Cruz, it was a dumb statement from a very intelligent guy. I even said if it was a larger thing than New York it could be a 47% kind of statement.

HOWEVER, what I find equally dumb, if not entirely disingenuous, is this faux outrage and concern and these outlandish statements that Ted Cruz hates New Yorkers or Ted Cruz disrespected 9-11 victims because Donald Trump decided to turn it into that.

The fact is, everyone here KNOWS that’s not what Cruz meant when he said “New York values” and outside of all this nonsense we’re arguing about right now almost everyone here AGREES with Ted Cruz about the cultural and political stench that is New York as a whole these days- not every person, but you don’t decide to fine employers $250,000 because they refuse to play fantasy and refer to a man as “miss, or ma’am” because your values are in line with conservatives or the people who believe in traditional values and Judeo Christian values, and constitutional values in this country. Same as the SAFE Act. Same as “we’ll dictate your soda size”. Same as DeBlasio. Same as Bloomberg. Same as Cuomo. Same as “we’ll criminalize selling cigarettes because that keeps us from getting tax money on them.” Same as gay pride parades. Same as Wall Street over Main Street. Same as greed, perversion, and decadence.

Everyone KNEW what Cruz meant, and almost everyone AGREES with him.

But because the Donald is running, and because the Donald is from New York, and because the Donald is so dreamy and wants to make it a flowery, emotional thing, well we also have to make it a flowery, emotional thing and get all hot and bothered because the mean, bigoted Texan talked bad about our new favorite state.


57 posted on 01/15/2016 5:14:48 PM PST by American Faith Today
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To: American Faith Today

I love it. Cruz had a chance to rebuttal last night during the debate and he failed. Just like he failed when RUBIO of all people made Cruz look like an idiot and Cruz took it......ROTFLMAO. You know why he took it? Everything Rubio said was true. Cruz even was embarrassed and speechless in the first time of his life.


68 posted on 01/15/2016 5:23:44 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: American Faith Today

Everyone KNEW what Cruz meant, and almost everyone AGREES with him.


Apparently you don’t know what Cruz meant. This was an oblique planned jab on Trump: “He’s a NY Values Liberal blah blah blah.” Fine. This is big boy fight. But if Cruz can dish it out then he needs to be a big boy and take the return fire.


115 posted on 01/15/2016 5:56:04 PM PST by lodi90
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To: American Faith Today
It was a mistake for Cruz to use that term, same as if he'd said “California values.” People would have accused him of being against Disneyland.

But NY is not defensible for it's political and social values. They vote for Cuomo’s, DeBlasio’s and every idiot communist that comes down the pike.

149 posted on 01/15/2016 6:53:52 PM PST by Luke21 (Go Ted go.)
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To: American Faith Today

Fan of both Trump and Cruz in that order.

The thing to avoid is bashing an entire state in a sound byte. Everyone who was born and raised in a certain state is usually very proud of where they came from. Most people of all political backgrounds are probably proud to have been born and raised in New York. The broad stroke of making ‘New York Values’ as a negative makes native New Yorkers upset.

Just as someone who would say ‘Florida Values’ or ‘Texas Values’ in a negative light would upset people who are from or live in the state that was insulted. No matter what Trumps response was, Cruz might want to recognize that Americans are both proud of their Country and State, in that order. Not all of the time, but some of the time. Cruz worded his insult in the wrong way. He attempted to link Trump to negative liberal New York Media by using the term ‘New York Values’. But the link did not resonate and in addition the Liberal New York media goes after Trump in a negative way day in and day out. Instead, New Yorkers felt he was directing his comments at the citizens of New York. Not the Democrat Liberal Media and liberal politicians, who are head quartered in New York which was his intention. But the other issue is both the Democrat Liberal Media and New York politicians are anti Trump, so again the argument will not resonate.


161 posted on 01/15/2016 7:20:25 PM PST by E20erer
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To: American Faith Today

Not defined is not known. Until he does, I have no idea what he is implying about what New York values are. Which is why it was a stupid thing to say.


217 posted on 01/16/2016 1:34:59 AM PST by onona (Blind Faith - originally released in 1969 on Polydor Records)
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