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Tom DeLay: Cruz Has Problem on Citizenship Issue
NewsMax ^ | 01/13/2016 | NewsMax

Posted on 01/14/2016 6:00:17 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans

Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay told Newsmax TV on Wednesday that Ted Cruz might ultimately "end up in the courts" on the question of his citizenship and how it might affect his presidential campaign. "I've had this problem ever since Cruz announced," DeLay, the five-term Texas Republican who served from 2003 to 2005, told "The Steve Malzberg Show" in an interview.

"There is a difference between the definition of natural born and naturalization — and it has not been settled by any branch of government. "Cruz needs to address this in some way because it is a cloud right now in Iowa," DeLay said. [...]

DeLay, however, told Malzberg that the "most expedient" way for Cruz to settle any questions is to work through the courts. "You can't do anything through Congress," he said. "Congress isn't going to pass any bill to protect him — and I'm sure [President Barack] Obama wouldn’t sign anything. "He's going to the courts if he's the nominee. The Democrats will use every avenue available to them.

"They sued me over a valid issue," DeLay said, referring to a 2006 lawsuit brought by Democrats after he dropped his re-election bid. "They'll sue him. "He'll end up in the courts one way or another."

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: canadian; cruz; cubanhoserboyted; ineligible; naturalborncitizen; tedcruzhosereh
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To: Cboldt
You can LOL, but you are LOLing at SCOTUS decisions that say that.

LOL. I forgot. All SC decisions are correct.

Better?

LOL.

181 posted on 01/14/2016 8:15:11 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Sure I did.

Trump Good, Cruz bad....blah blah blah repeat until the sheep believe the hype.


182 posted on 01/14/2016 8:17:11 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Helicondelta

Incorrect. “Official” recognition requires paperwork.

The Consular Report of Birth Abroad (CRBA) is the paperwork that makes the recognition official, the same as the birth certificate for domestic births.


183 posted on 01/14/2016 8:18:21 AM PST by MortMan (I am offended by those who believe they have a right not to be offended.)
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To: FreeReign
-- LOL. I forgot. All SC decisions are correct. --

Correct or not, and I agree that many are not, they are treated as "settling the issue as a matter of law."

If, hypothetically, the case went before SCOTUS, and SCOTUS said Cruz was naturalized, we'd be in the same boat as far as public dialog goes, but a different boat as far as whether Cruz could occupy the office.

Would you LOL if SCOTUS said a citizen born under the law that Cruz was, was a naturalized citizen?

184 posted on 01/14/2016 8:22:28 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Correction:

Wrong, you used directly quoted the act, saying "child of parents". Do you know what quotes are used for?

185 posted on 01/14/2016 8:23:30 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: so_real

Agree completely except for one thing. From a Dem POV, they will be arguing HI (for Obama) vs Canada. It doesn’t matter if that makes any legal difference or not. The Dems and their MSM enablers will simply repeat ‘Hawaii vs Canada’ until peoples’ ears ache with the refrain. Sooner or later it will have the desired results.

Fwiw, here is a post I put up yesterday re Dems and the HI issue. It pertains:

‘This is why [Obama’s] supposed HI birth was stressed to death by his defenders. They went so far as to create a cut and paste birth certificate, and passed it off as original. A small but rabid band of bona fide Obots infested FR for ~7 yrs, arguing Jus Soli days, nights, weekends and holidays.’

I.e.: they pinned it all on the soil, not on Stanley Ann Dunham. Again, fwiw.


186 posted on 01/14/2016 8:27:00 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: AFret.

Nailed it on that fraud Rubio.


187 posted on 01/14/2016 8:29:08 AM PST by Godebert
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To: Stentor
proudly maintained his hockey loving Canadian citizenship until late last week

Making up $#!+ as you go along doesn't really help your candidate. It's not likely to persuade anyone that we should nominate and elect a real estate baron reality TV star to the highest executive political office in our Republic. The records of two celebrity governors elected with similar enthusiasm in California and Minnesota (the latter State also put a talentless comedian into the Senate) don't argue well for the idea.

188 posted on 01/14/2016 8:30:17 AM PST by katana (Just my opinion)
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To: commish

No. He was made a citizen by virtue of the immigration and naturalization laws. So, it matters not whether he has some certificate.

Nature isn’t determined by a government form.


189 posted on 01/14/2016 8:32:38 AM PST by EternalVigilance ('A man without force is without the essential dignity of humanity.' - Frederick Douglass)
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To: GrouchoTex
Yeah, funny how he says this now. If he had reservations in 2012, why not say so?

Because it was never an issue. Like Patton I don't like having to pay for ground twice. This is just another issue where the conservatives don't understand “the nuances of the situation.”

After what they did with Obama, the same liberals arguing against Ted Cruz would ‘prove’ the Constitution lets space aliens run if they had one they thought could win.

190 posted on 01/14/2016 8:32:58 AM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

English common law


Yes Sir. I never knew liberals cared so much about English Common law. Oh that right they hadn’t heard of it till last Tuesday.

Do you have any documents from the founders that show they intended to create a class of ‘citizens from birth’ who were not ‘natural born’?


191 posted on 01/14/2016 8:35:32 AM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: katana
Making up $#!+ as you go along doesn't really help your candidate.

Is it true that since the actor who plays the undertaker in the movie Phantasm has died, that Ted is going to get the part in any further sequels? See, that's what's called needling or in some quarters "Making up $#!+ (up)".

192 posted on 01/14/2016 8:38:28 AM PST by Stentor
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To: EternalVigilance
This is why the Cruz constitutional qualifications controversy is so vitally important.


No, at best this is an academic issue among stalwart followers of the Constitution. It will set no precedent, and change nothing in future elections.

The Democrats (and the GOPe) will construct, print, forge, and shout us down to get the next ‘chosen’ candidate if needed.

193 posted on 01/14/2016 8:41:25 AM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: LucyT; Mollypitcher1; PJBankard; BlackFemaleArmyCaptain; onyx; nopardons; nikos1121; Amntn

Problem: unsettled law

Solution: declarative judgment


194 posted on 01/14/2016 8:58:46 AM PST by hoosiermama
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To: RC one

Absolutely agree!


195 posted on 01/14/2016 9:02:35 AM PST by fivecatsandadog ( "Radical" Muslims will kill you. "Moderates" will sit in silence and watch the radicals kill you.)
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To: Cboldt
Would you LOL if SCOTUS said a citizen born under the law that Cruz was, was a naturalized citizen?

Whatever.

My point is that it would be an incorrect ruling.

A person either earns citizenship, which is "naturalization" or a person has a natural birth right to citizenship, which is being "naturally born".

Any third category of citizenship, such as somebody being "naturalized at birth" (lol) is silly. Logically, how does somebody earn something a birth? You can't earn something without doing something, it just doesn't make sense.

196 posted on 01/14/2016 9:04:12 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Stentor
Needling's fine. Not you, but some of the over the top emoting here lately under freeper names no one's ever heard of before smells like trolling by the actual other side. There are some things I like about Trump but his fans attacks, or his own not so subtle turd in the punchbowl citizenship comments, on Cruz aren't going to make me like him more.
197 posted on 01/14/2016 9:08:48 AM PST by katana (Just my opinion)
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To: NOVACPA
It's much more stringent, as was intended and necessary for the Commander-in Chief.

Right. Like it matters whether you were born while your mother was on vacation in the Bahamas.

198 posted on 01/14/2016 9:10:59 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: RummyChick

Very interesting....can happen!


199 posted on 01/14/2016 9:11:41 AM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

There is a whole drama over Winston Churchill’s family.
Mother had affair with King ,etc.

Winston was in line to be Duke but a late in life child took him out of the running.

Winton’s mother was American. Winston was born in the great Blenheim Palace. This means if Cruz could run so could Winston.

Now some might want to say that Winston would make a great President. Maybe he would.

But would James Madison really think that Winston Churchill, in line for a Dukedom, should be President.

He was offered a Dukedom by the Queen. He turned it down because of his son.
But suppose he accepted it.

Then you would have Duke of London running for POTUS


200 posted on 01/14/2016 9:18:39 AM PST by RummyChick
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