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To: Maelstrom
Yeah...because Congress cannot dictate Natural Law.

And, neither can you. In accordance with natural law, a clild's nationality is thought to follow the circumstances of his or her birth so as to reasonably measure and determine where the child's natural loyalty and duty lies.

Several elements, differing according to place and time, have traditionally figured into this measurement and determination, including place of birth as well as the nationality of the parent(s) and very importantly including the wishes of the liege.

There is no simplistic formula that can be used to make this measurement, one needs to look at all the facts. And in doing so you can't pretend like it's 1756. We no longer follow patrilineage in this country.

Also, it should be obvious, but I will restate it now just to encourage clarity of thought, that our polity cannot control how another polity determines how and from whom it demands loyalty or whom it considers its nationals. Therefore whether or not another polity considers one of ours to be one of theirs has NO bearing on the natural loyalty and duty of the child in question. This undeniable fact MUST be understood, as failure to understand has led to much confusion and tortured thinking.

So, in the case of Ted Cruz, the fact of his birth in Canada is not determinative of anything. It is merely one of the circumstances of his birth than must be considered, as must be his parentage which includes a Cuban father and an American mother.

I think we can safely say that there has been no evidence that Ted Cruz feels any sense of loyalty or duty to Cuba now or at any time in the past, nor has Cuba demanded this from him. His Father had left Cuba with no intent to return. At the time of Ted Cruz's birth, both his father and mother were in Canada merely on temporary work permits, but nevertheless, according to the rules the Canadians have chosen for themselves, they consider the baby Cruz to have Canadian nationality. This is none of our business as Americans. Canada could just as easily have chosen rules that would have denied the baby Cruz their nationality, and that also would be none of our business as Americans.

Because this is now the 21st Century, and until recently the late 20th Century, and attitudes and laws have evolved since the 18th century, we now, in our polity, consider women and men as equals before the law. Whereas in the past our polity only considered patrilineage, we now accept that our men and women may equally bequeath their nationality upon their children. This is not merely a accidental result of an arbitrary statute. This is a natural condition that the statutes, enacted in the name of our modern day liege, We The People, merely recognize and enforce in the name of clarity, certainty and the will of the sovereign.

Therefore, it is an entirely natural result of the circumstances of his birth that Ted Cruz was and remains a natural-born citizen of the United States for all these reasons as a natural consequence of the circumstances of his birth absent the action of any statute. If this assertion is supported by statute, so much the better in the interest of clarity and certainty. But we need to be clear that the absence of these statutes would not serve to change his status as a natural born citizen and national of the United States.

32 posted on 01/13/2016 9:54:34 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: John Valentine

Dual Citizenship automatically creates a problem anywhere and any when.

The problem was exposed to all when the “American” journalist was jailed in Iran. He had dual citizenship. That made him subject to all of their rules and laws.

THIS is the consequence of ANY form of dual citizenship. THIS is why and how Natural Born Citizenship stands as it does, it prevents not ONLY problematic issues with loyalty, but ALSO problems with aggressive nations USING that citizenship to control anyone with that dual citizenship.

I’m sorry, but you have overlooked some very IMPORTANT issues.

Ted Cruz *is*, philosophically, the best choice for US President, and I can go with that, with the understanding that the Constitution has *already* been overthrown. However, this does NOT change the fact that under our former Constitution Ted Cruz would *NOT* be a Natural Born Citizen and would *NOT* qualify to be President for that reason.


33 posted on 01/14/2016 11:30:50 AM PST by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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