Posted on 01/12/2016 10:09:44 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
Donald Trump is actually right about something: Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) is not a natural-born citizen and therefore is not eligible to be president or vice president of the United States.
The Constitution provides that "No person except a natural born citizen . . . shall be eligible to the office of President." The concept of "natural born" comes from the common law, and it is that law the Supreme Court has said we must turn to for the concept's definition. On this subject, the common law is clear and unambiguous. The 18th-century English jurist William Blackstone, the preeminent authority on it, declared natural-born citizens are "such as are born within the dominions of the crown of England," while aliens are "such as are born out of it."
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Cruz is, of course, a U.S. citizen. As he was born in Canada, he is not natural born. His mother, however, is an American, and Congress has provided by statute for the naturalization of children born abroad to citizens. Because of the senator's parentage, he did not have to follow the lengthy naturalization process that aliens without American parents must undergo. Instead, Cruz was naturalized at birth.
You use English Common Law for that interpretation of ‘Natural Born’.
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I do not. Vattel is my source as it was of the Framers.
Not unless he filed the proper papers with either the Consulate or the proper government agency in the US.
Cruz was a citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution? What's his secret? Is he a vampire? Did he get frozen in a block of ice and only recently thawed out? Does he have a really really old-looking portrait of himself stashed away somewhere?
The 14th Amendment was about bestowing citizenship on former slaves. Nothing else. It did not even cover the “Indians.”
Well said!
McConnell has already nixed that idea: Link
From the Dallas Morning News in a story about Cruz having dual citizenship:
âSenator Cruz became a U.S. citizen at birth, and he never had to go through a naturalization process after birth to become a U.S. citizen,â said spokeswoman Catherine Frazier. âTo our knowledge, he never had Canadian citizenship.â
The U.S. Constitution allows only a ânatural bornâ American citizen to serve as president. Most legal scholars who have studied the question agree that includes an American born overseas to an American parent, such as Cruz.
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“Her status made the baby a U.S. citizen at birth. For that, U.S. law required at least one parent who was a U.S. citizen who had lived for at least a decade in the United States.
“She registered his birth with the U.S. consulate, Frazier said, and the future senator received a U.S. passport in 1986 ahead of a high school trip to England.”
And the law says he is eligible.
Well in a fashion they did, because the other citizen classes were defined and this one wasn't. That tells you it is not like the others because they specifically called it different and applied it to only one office. Logic should tell you it was special but I guess that would depend on your agenda.
Natural Born Citizen does not mean a citizen not naturalized or the Founders being more than marginally literate probably would have been able to find a way to say they were the same thing.
Thanks for playing but I said I was through with this rabbit hole until after the first two state primaries, by then I doubt it will matter, if it still matters then prepare to defend against the democrats and probably a few corrupt judges.
I was responding to someone on their claim that Cruz’s Canadian citizenship would give him allegiance to that country.
And no, the “natural-born citizen” requirement isn’t just like the age requirement. What 35 years of age means is clear, while “natural born citizen” wasn’t defined as the Constitution writers passed up on defining it.
I have to say I wonder if there are Trump supporters here just trying to knock off Cruz with this. I support both of them, and I also have to say, this is just preposterous and counterproductive. Hillary Clinton must be happy today.
If I thought there really was anything substantial to this, I would say so. And if something else emerges to change the picture, I would and will also say so. But at this point, it’s like people arguing that something, because it’s a fact, somehow must disqualify him. Yes, he was born in Canada, as an American citizen, but at this point I don’t at all sees how what the Constitution actually says disqualifies him, or was ever meant to.
I’m sure there’s some truth to the claim that this is just a political attack, but for me it does actually go much deeper. I am a firm believer in the Constitution and the rule of law and although it’s an admittedly murky issue to define, at the same time it involves the highest levels of our government. Furthermore I happen to also believe that a big part of the problems we face derive from people at the highest levels of government with divided loyalties. Enforcing this one rule passed down to us from the Founders is then a key part of everything that’s important to me in politics.
Go tell your woes to someone who can DO something about it. It doesn't do any good to vent here for what is a DONE DEAL.
KSA = The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
From this link
http://www.newswithviews.com/JBWilliams/williams300.htm
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In a campaign interview during his freshman senate race, a GOP Texas State Committee member sat down with the young candidate to ask a few poignant vetting questions, and here are the questions and answers from that interview⦠(Redacted information is to protect the witness at this moment, but the witness is willing to offer sworn testimony)
Interviewer: âHello Mr. Cruz, it’s a pleasure to meet you. My name is (redacted). I am a (redacted) County GOP Precinct Chair and you have my support and vote. I have one question for you if I may?â
Cruz: âSure, go ahead.â
Interviewer: âWhat is your understanding of how one becomes a natural born Citizen?â
Cruz: âTwo citizen parents and born on the soil.â
Well, since Cruz, a graduate of Princeton University and Harvard Law School, IS running, you can probably believe that he is "legal."
However, you wrote some very nice words.
The meaning of Article II sec 1 stands fixed until modified by a subsequent amendment. Not even the 14th amendment changed it in any way shape form or fashion. Not the Immigration and Naturalization Acts of 1790 or 1795 or 1802, nor the 19th amendment or women’s rights generally. IT HAS NOT BEEN AMENDED.
Prior to the Cable Act, when Article II was passed, a US woman married to a foreign national, who gives birth to a child out of the country could not transmit citizenship to her new born. Even AFTER the Cable Act, they would only be a natualized by statute citizen and never a natural born one.
These other arguments you raise have no bearing on Article II. NBC ONLY applies to eligibility for the office of POTUS. Nothing else.
And Obama also a Harvard Law grad, who was NOT eligible, did run, and was elected/////TWICE. I’m also an Ivy Leaguer. Harvard is just another Lib Indoctrinating Establishment. Sad!
What sense?
Neither are eligible to run for president. Both can do almost every thing else.
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