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Father of Koch Brothers Helped Build Nazi Oil Refinery
New York Times ^ | 1/11/16 | NICHOLAS CONFESSORE

Posted on 01/12/2016 3:28:08 AM PST by smartyaz

The father of the billionaires Charles G. and David H. Koch helped construct a major oil refinery in Nazi Germany that was personally approved by Adolf Hitler, according to a new history of the Kochs and other wealthy families.

The book, “Dark Money,” by Jane Mayer, traces the rise of the modern conservative movement through the activism and money of a handful of rich donors: among them Richard Mellon Scaife, an heir to the Mellon banking fortune, and Harry and Lynde Bradley, brothers who became wealthy in part from military contracts but poured millions into anti-government philanthropy.

But the book is largely focused on the Koch family, stretching back to its involvement in the far-right John Birch Society and the political and business activities of the father, Fred C. Koch, who found some of his earliest business success overseas in the years leading up to World War II. One venture was a partnership with the American Nazi sympathizer William Rhodes Davis, who, according to Ms. Mayer, hired Mr. Koch to help build the third-largest oil refinery in the Third Reich, a critical industrial cog in Hitler’s war machine.

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To: Gen.Blather

Bill Clinton’s illegitimate father was a member allied with the Dixie Mafia of West Tennessee and NE Mississippi.


41 posted on 01/12/2016 6:52:46 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: exnavy; HiTech RedNeck

““Version” what exactly does that mean? There is only one God, one Christ, one path to heaven. Which version are you on?”

I have the version defined in the Bible. My response was to HiTech and was in reference to his tendency to judge others. Seems he is the only one he thinks is worthy of salvation.


42 posted on 01/12/2016 7:02:08 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

You have a problem if you are going around with a “worthy of salvation” model and claiming to get it from ME. Don’t read your pre-existing model into me.


43 posted on 01/12/2016 7:46:34 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: smartyaz

My point was that these critics of the Kochs are bigots, since they readily forgive the transgressions of their own tin gods (like FDR), while picking at the nits on their enemies (the Kochs). I too believe FDR was over-rated, to the point of absurdity.


44 posted on 01/12/2016 7:49:52 AM PST by IronJack
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To: HiTech RedNeck

God Bless ya


45 posted on 01/12/2016 7:59:09 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

I am attempting, if sometimes poorly, to say what salvation will LOOK like. In most cases these are goals I have already begun to see realized, so it isn’t just bible theorization, but are far from complete.

I think I have a right to make comments on the matter having met the Author however imperfectly. If people thereby feel judged, they should not blame me but blame an unbiblical viewpoint that the world and devil have been pushing on them and they have allowed to live in their heads. I never told anyone that if he believed on Christ for salvation, he wasn’t pardoned for even the grossest and most egregious sins. USE that promise from the bible, the judgment is gone, but DO learn a lesson if it applies to a path of improvement, or by all means please refute my theology if it does not.

I plead guilty to believing in a God that doesn’t want anyone to stick in the mud of sin and wants to see stimulation to faith and good deeds. In fact, who keeps on refuting the idea of private religion.


46 posted on 01/12/2016 8:02:15 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: driftdiver

And God bless you too sir... I can really be a nut about this sometimes, making noise about God, and that’s because I hope to see people better inspired. If I saw someone with a million dollars living as if he had $5, I stop and say whoa there, why are you ignoring the rest?


47 posted on 01/12/2016 8:03:48 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: driftdiver

I didn’t take his comment that way, I am pretty sure you misunderstood.


48 posted on 01/12/2016 8:24:56 AM PST by exnavy (good gun control: two hands, one shot, one kill.)
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To: IronJack

Thank you, I agree.


49 posted on 01/12/2016 9:17:38 AM PST by smartyaz
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To: smartyaz

And Thomas Dodd (daddy of Chris Dodd) got the text of GCA-1968 from the NAZIs.


50 posted on 01/12/2016 11:52:24 AM PST by Peet (I'd say to hell with the media, but hell doesn't want them either.)
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To: smartyaz

Oh, I forgot: Edward M. “Dead Ted” Kennedy (now sober 6 1/2 years) offered to work with the Soviet Union in taking down President Regan.

(HINT: google “andropov memo”)


51 posted on 01/12/2016 11:58:13 AM PST by Peet (I'd say to hell with the media, but hell doesn't want them either.)
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To: Gen.Blather

and Joe Kennedy was a Nazi sympathizer. But that along with bodies on the bottom of a lake don’t matter.


52 posted on 01/12/2016 12:58:49 PM PST by 11th Commandment ("THOSE WHO TIRE LOSE")
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To: Peet

Wow, thanks for the info. Unlike his brothers, Ted was a traitor.

“Picking his way through the Soviet archives that Boris Yeltsin had just thrown open, in 1991 Tim Sebastian, a reporter for the London Times, came across an arresting memorandum. Composed in 1983 by Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB, the memorandum was addressed to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR. The subject: Sen. Edward Kennedy.

“On 9-10 May of this year,” the May 14 memorandum explained, “Sen. Edward Kennedy’s close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow.” (Tunney was Kennedy’s law school roommate and a former Democratic senator from California.) “The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov.”

Kennedy’s message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. “The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations,” the memorandum stated. “These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign.”

http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html


53 posted on 01/12/2016 2:37:02 PM PST by smartyaz
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To: IronJack; smartyaz
FDR was over-rated, to the point of absurdity.
It is not difficult to construct that case. After all, Churchill knew the danger posed by Hitler, while FDR allowed Nazism to become a mortal peril on his watch.

And there is much to suggest cupidity on FDR's part in foreign relations. But there was a lot going on back then that we little appreciate now. Easy to second guess Neville Chamberlain and his "Peace in our time," but his action was wildly popular in Britain at the time. And before Pearl Harbor, US public opinion was dead set against US entry into WWII.

But it's interesting; if you read

Freedom's Forge:
How American Business Produced Victory in World War II
Arthur Herman
you find out that FDR actually was pulling out every stop he could find to help Britain while ramping up US logistics capability. The only reason the US had negligible military equipment upon the advent of Pearl Harbor was that FDR had been sending everything he could scrape up over to Britain, lest Britain fall and the Nazis come into control over the Royal Navy. But from the Fall of France to Pearl Harbor was very close to 18 months - which was the time Roosevelt had been told would be required to construct the infrastructure to pull off the US production "miracle" which defeated the Axis.

The American military felt like it was in hot water after Pearl Harbor, with the Axis holding the initiative. But amateurs talk about strategy and tactics, and professionals talk about logistics. And on that front, the US was prepared to pull off a miracle. Because the factories and machine tools were in place, as they had not been in May 1940 at the Fall of France.

If Hitler had had any appreciation of that fact, he might have thought long and hard before he declared war on the US a week or so after Pearl Harbor. But of course his submarines proceeded to wreak havoc on American shipping for months on end after PH.


54 posted on 01/12/2016 3:21:37 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion ('Liberalism' is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

“The NY Times and Harvard university both supported Hitler before WW2. Why now the hypocracy from the NY Times?”

The convenience of pumping more mush into the heads of lazy LIVs.


55 posted on 01/13/2016 5:18:23 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Ready for Teddy, Cruz that is.)
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