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It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them. (At least she's honest.)
newrepublic.com ^ | 12-10-2015 | PHOEBE MALTZ BOVY

Posted on 12/10/2015 1:51:48 PM PST by servo1969

Ban guns. All guns. Get rid of guns in homes, and on the streets, and, as much as possible, on police. Not just because of San Bernardino, or whichever mass shooting may pop up next, but also not not because of those. Don't sort the population into those who might do something evil or foolish or self-destructive with a gun and those who surely will not. As if this could be known—as if it could be assessed without massively violating civil liberties and stigmatizing the mentally ill. Ban guns! Not just gun violence. Not just certain guns. Not just already-technically-illegal guns. All of them.

I used to refer to my position on this issue as being in favor of gun control. Which is true, except that "gun control" at its most radical still tends to refer to bans on certain weapons and closing loopholes. The recent New York Times front-page editorial, as much as it infuriated some, was still too tentative. "Certain kinds of weapons, like the slightly modified combat rifles used in California, and certain kinds of ammunition, must be outlawed for civilian ownership," the paper argued, making the case for "reasonable regulation," nothing more. Even the rare ban-guns arguments involve prefacing and hedging and disclaimers. "We shouldn't ‘take them away' from people who currently own them, necessarily," writes Hollis Phelps in Salon. Oh, but we should.

I say this not to win some sort of ideological purity contest, but because banning guns urgently needs to become a rhetorical and conceptual possibility. The national conversation needs to shift from one extreme - an acceptance, ranging from complacent to enthusiastic, of an individual right to own guns—to another, which requires people who are not politicians to speak their minds. And this will only happen if the Americans who are quietly convinced that guns are terrible speak out.

Their wariness, as far as I can tell, comes from two issues: a readiness to accept the Second Amendment as a refutation, and a reluctance to impose "elite" culture on parts of the country where guns are popular. (There are other reasons as well, not least a fear of getting shot.) And there's the extent to which it's just so ingrained that banning guns is impossible, legislatively and pragmatically, which dramatically weakens the anti-gun position.

The first issue shouldn't be so complicated. It doesn't take specialized expertise in constitutional law to understand that current U.S. gun law gets its parameters from Supreme Court interpretations of the Second Amendment. But it's right there in the First Amendment that we don't have to simply nod along with what follows. That the Second Amendment has been liberally interpreted doesn't prevent any of us from saying it's been misinterpreted, or that it should be repealed.

When you find yourself assuming that everyone who has a more nuanced (or just pro-gun) argument is simply better read on the topic, remember that opponents of abortion aren't wondering whether they should have a more nuanced view of abortion because of Roe v. Wade. They're not keeping their opinions to themselves until they've got a term paper's worth of material proving that they've studied the relevant case law.

Then there is the privilege argument. If you grew up somewhere in America where gun culture wasn't a thing (as is my situation; I'm an American living in Canada), or even just in a family that would have never considered gun ownership, you'll probably be accused of looking down your nose at gun culture. As if gun ownership were simply a cultural tradition to be respected, and not, you know, about owning guns. Guns… I mean, must it really be spelled out what's different? It's absurd to reduce an anti-gun position to a snooty aesthetic preference.

There's also a more progressive version of this argument, and a more contrarian one, which involves suggesting that an anti-gun position is racist, because crackdowns on guns are criminal-justice interventions. Progressives who might have been able to brush off accusations of anti-rural-white classism may have a tougher time confronting arguments about the disparate impact gun control policies can have on marginalized communities.

These, however, are criticisms of certain tentative, insufficient gun control measures—the ones that would leave small-town white families with legally-acquired guns well enough alone, allowing them to shoot themselves or one another and to let their guns enter the general population.

Ban Guns, meanwhile, is not discriminatory in this way. It's not about dividing society into "good" and "bad" gun owners. It's about placing gun ownership itself in the "bad" category. It's worth adding that the anti-gun position is ultimately about police not carrying guns, either. That could never happen, right? Well, certainly not if we keep on insisting on its impossibility.

Ask yourself this: Is the pro-gun side concerned with how it comes across? More to the point: Does the fact that someone opposes gun control demonstrate that they're culturally sensitive to the concerns of small-town whites, as well as deeply committed to fighting police brutality against blacks nationwide? I'm going to go with no and no on these. (The NRA exists!)

On the pro-gun-control side of things, there's far too much timidity. What's needed to stop all gun violence is a vocal ban guns contingent. Getting bogged down in discussions of what's feasible is keeps what needs to happen—no more guns—from entering the realm of possibility. Public opinion needs to shift. The no-guns stance needs to be an identifiable place on the spectrum, embraced unapologetically, if it's to be reckoned with.

Phoebe Maltz Bovy is a writer living in Toronto. She is writing a book with St. Martin's Press about the idea of privilege (2017).


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To: servo1969

At least calling for the repeal of the Second Amendment respects the Constitutional process.

Unlike Obama who is going to subvert and undermine it with a thoroughly un-constitutional process.


61 posted on 12/10/2015 2:24:35 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: stocksthatgoup

“I say this not to win some sort of ideological purity contest, but because banning guns urgently needs to become a rhetorical and conceptual possibility. The national conversation needs to shift from one extreme - an acceptance, ranging from complacent to enthusiastic, of an individual right to own guns—to another, which requires people who are not politicians to speak their minds. And this will only happen if the Americans who are quietly convinced that guns are terrible speak out.”

Sorry dude. People can express their desire to have gun control because the constitution gives you the right to whine. Just because you whine about it doesn’t mean we should do it.

By the way, it’s settled law. Deal with it you prepubescent putz.


62 posted on 12/10/2015 2:24:45 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Islam is the military wing of the Communist party.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

What we need to end violence is a vocal ban on violence. They can stand on the street corner and recite their mantra “end violence ummm”. If that doesn’t work they can yell louder. If that still doesn’t work, they can move to another street corner and do it all over again.


63 posted on 12/10/2015 2:26:21 PM PST by Purdue77 ("...shall not be infringed.")
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To: servo1969

And when she is being raped out of her mind by a thug with a gun and nobody is around with a gun to stop him, what then?? Lay back and enjoy it(Clayton Williams).


64 posted on 12/10/2015 2:26:24 PM PST by shankbear (The tree of Liberty appears to be perishing because there are few patriots willing to refresh it.)
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To: servo1969

Come and take them honey!


65 posted on 12/10/2015 2:27:08 PM PST by vpintheak (Death before disarmament!)
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To: servo1969

Wouldn’t it be great if Trumps telling the unvarnished truth spurred leftists to start doing the same? That’s right, morons, pull off the mask.


66 posted on 12/10/2015 2:27:42 PM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job...)
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To: servo1969

Following CW-II, make sure folks like her go to the guillotine last.

When the blade is very dull.


67 posted on 12/10/2015 2:27:43 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: servo1969

I think she needs to be banned from reproducing.


68 posted on 12/10/2015 2:28:24 PM PST by jimbug
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To: servo1969

Be careful when you grab my gun, Cupcake. The barrel’s going to be a bit hot.


69 posted on 12/10/2015 2:28:47 PM PST by glock rocks (I don't always talk to liberals, but when I do, I order the large fries.)
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To: jimbug
I think she needs to be banned from reproducing.

Check out her picture up-thread ... I think you needn't worry.

70 posted on 12/10/2015 2:29:41 PM PST by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey look. It’s Olive Oil!

She looks to be beyond her peak beauty years so she’s becoming more and more bitter, as liberal atheists tend to do.


71 posted on 12/10/2015 2:30:03 PM PST by subterfuge (TED CRUZ FOR POTUS!)
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To: servo1969
Phoebe Maltz Bovy is a writer living in Toronto. She is writing a book with St. Martin's Press about the idea of privilege (2017).

Calm down snowflake, it'll be okay.

72 posted on 12/10/2015 2:30:08 PM PST by LambSlave
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Poor thing needs some sunlight. I see a very unhappy young person there, in fact her facial features don’t suggest she smiles much. Wouldn’t be surprised if she’s a binge drinker (often alone). She’s not going to find joy in writing about ‘priviledge’, or her other liberal points of view. Hope she gets her life together.


73 posted on 12/10/2015 2:30:28 PM PST by Made In The USA (Rap music: Soundtrack of the retarded.)
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To: servo1969

No.

Your move.


74 posted on 12/10/2015 2:32:39 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When I first saw that pic, I thought that it was a man.


75 posted on 12/10/2015 2:32:58 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: servo1969

According to the article the author lives in Toronto. I suggest she stay there and mind her own business


76 posted on 12/10/2015 2:34:44 PM PST by exbrit
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To: windsorknot

I’ll make a note to save my ammo if I ever have the opportunity to save her from an attacker.


77 posted on 12/10/2015 2:36:20 PM PST by windsorknot
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To: WKUHilltopper

She lives in Toronto. If she’s a traitor, she’s Canada’s problem.


78 posted on 12/10/2015 2:37:54 PM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown Are by desperate appliance relieved Or not at al)
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To: Jim Noble

We should “ban” idiot liberal asshats.


79 posted on 12/10/2015 2:38:34 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: servo1969

If all of humankind were individually in separate rubber rooms, we’d be less safe than we are now (see physical health).


80 posted on 12/10/2015 2:38:45 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in "Idiocracy," example of today's politico.)
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